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#351 2015-08-15 12:24:19

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

Interesting tidbit:

The production run of Boeing 727s was the same number as 2006 9-2xs: 1832!

http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/the-firs … 1724191911


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#352 2015-08-16 12:13:34

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

up


2005 Saab 9-2x Aero 5MT (world rally satin gray), PnP turbo, Factory Gauges, F1 Racing flywheel, 3'' Catless DP, DOM Tuned Stage II, Hella Micro DE fogs, Ixiz, Koyo Rad, Impreza trunk tray FTW!!
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#353 2015-08-16 21:52:16

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

Still waiting patently for Krazy.  banana

saabroo wrote:

05 Aero 4AT
Desert Silver
#7936
Premium and Cold weather packages
(HIDs, fogs, 17", moonroof, leather, heated seats etc.)


2010 Camaro V8 2SS/RS 6MT with Maggie. 513whp, 480tq.
2005 Saab 9-2x 4EAT. Winter car. K&N Typhoon, COBB CBE, Tein Flex, 18x8.5 Kosei K3.

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#354 2015-08-17 11:10:21

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

:arrow-up:2005 US Production # 7594.

P.S. - the car was already on the registry.


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#355 2015-08-17 11:13:32

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

There is a chance OP and I have spoken recently (if not it was the guy who started this forum I believe), but I'm behind the eSaabParts 92x production numbers here: https://www.esaabparts.com/saab/product … 5_2006.php

There are also filterable Saab production numbers at the site for the 9-3 (9400/9440), 9-5 (9600/650), and 9-7X for now.

The total US production number I have for the US is the same as the OP here -- 9292. I have the VINs behind all my data plus a varying amount of metadata for each model. The majority of it isn't released publically -- basically only aggregated statistics are included.

Also, FWIW, the VIN search/decoder on the site still says it doesn't handle 92x VINs if you enter one, but I just need to take the time to translate my 92x decoder logic to a different programming language for the website VIN search (Python->PHP). I'll get to it soon, but 92x part searches work just fine if you select the vehicle manually.

Anyways, to the OP, if you think I have some 92x data you want, I'd be willing to discuss a trade (most likely one where I receive the 92x production number ordering schema).


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#356 2015-08-17 14:48:14

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

Really? Was it a specific request from a previous owner or was the info obtained from elsewhere? Do you know?

krazykarguy wrote:

:arrow-up:2005 US Production # 7594.

P.S. - the car was already on the registry.


2010 Camaro V8 2SS/RS 6MT with Maggie. 513whp, 480tq.
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#357 2015-08-17 16:06:50

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

zissou wrote:

There is a chance OP and I have spoken recently (if not it was the guy who started this forum I believe), but I'm behind the eSaabParts 92x production numbers here: https://www.esaabparts.com/saab/product … 5_2006.php

There are also filterable Saab production numbers at the site for the 9-3 (9400/9440), 9-5 (9600/650), and 9-7X for now.

The total US production number I have for the US is the same as the OP here -- 9292. I have the VINs behind all my data plus a varying amount of metadata for each model. The majority of it isn't released publically -- basically only aggregated statistics are included.

Also, FWIW, the VIN search/decoder on the site still says it doesn't handle 92x VINs if you enter one, but I just need to take the time to translate my 92x decoder logic to a different programming language for the website VIN search (Python->PHP). I'll get to it soon, but 92x part searches work just fine if you select the vehicle manually.

Anyways, to the OP, if you think I have some 92x data you want, I'd be willing to discuss a trade (most likely one where I receive the 92x production number ordering schema).

I was provided the VIN list by the original site owner. It was not me that you spoke with.

Hi there! Glad to come across someone else who shares a passion for a specific vehicle. I checked out your site and definitely have a bunch of questions. Your production numbers do not match mine when using the filters for US VIN data that I have confirmed via GM.

For example, I show a total 2005 U.S. Aero production as 3,290 (1937 5MT / 1,353 4EAT), where you show 4,539 (1,910 5MT / 2,639 5AT). In addition, your 2005 data shows that the Aero production was higher than the Linear at 3,290 units. Anyone familiar with these cars will tell you that the base Linears are far more common than the up-spec Aero. You've got your numbers backwards!

I would love to discuss this further and possibly see what your data consists of. Your online tool is pretty awesome, BTW - I only question the validity of the data.

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#358 2015-08-18 18:17:29

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

krazykarguy wrote:

zissou wrote:

There is a chance OP and I have spoken recently (if not it was the guy who started this forum I believe), but I'm behind the eSaabParts 92x production numbers here: https://www.esaabparts.com/saab/product … 5_2006.php

There are also filterable Saab production numbers at the site for the 9-3 (9400/9440), 9-5 (9600/650), and 9-7X for now.

The total US production number I have for the US is the same as the OP here -- 9292. I have the VINs behind all my data plus a varying amount of metadata for each model. The majority of it isn't released publically -- basically only aggregated statistics are included.

Also, FWIW, the VIN search/decoder on the site still says it doesn't handle 92x VINs if you enter one, but I just need to take the time to translate my 92x decoder logic to a different programming language for the website VIN search (Python->PHP). I'll get to it soon, but 92x part searches work just fine if you select the vehicle manually.

Anyways, to the OP, if you think I have some 92x data you want, I'd be willing to discuss a trade (most likely one where I receive the 92x production number ordering schema).

I was provided the VIN list by the original site owner. It was not me that you spoke with.

Hi there! Glad to come across someone else who shares a passion for a specific vehicle. I checked out your site and definitely have a bunch of questions. Your production numbers do not match mine when using the filters for US VIN data that I have confirmed via GM.

For example, I show a total 2005 U.S. Aero production as 3,290 (1937 5MT / 1,353 4EAT), where you show 4,539 (1,910 5MT / 2,639 5AT). In addition, your 2005 data shows that the Aero production was higher than the Linear at 3,290 units. Anyone familiar with these cars will tell you that the base Linears are far more common than the up-spec Aero. You've got your numbers backwards!

I would love to discuss this further and possibly see what your data consists of. Your online tool is pretty awesome, BTW - I only question the validity of the data.

My underlying list of 9292 US VINs is 100% accurate and complete. I looked into the 2005 numbers issue you mentioned and I found it was a simple error on my part -- see, the content/data shown in my tool is 100% detached from my raw data, so there is another dimension in which errors can be introduced. It was in this layer that I quickly spotted the issue and it's been fixed. The problem resulted in 2005 9-2X Aeros being labeled as Linears, and Linears as Aeros (MT vs. AT was correct). Engine code was also backwards on the 2005 in my online tool. You'll notice that the numbers you quoted from me are exact as yours if you switch the trims in 2005. It's all fixed in my production tool now.

Questioning the validity of my data is a position that I have an obligation to respect, but I'm also more than happy to fight any and every challenger on it -- in some cases people like yourself have helped me find programmatic mistakes, for which I'm grateful because everyone wins, but 100% of the other times their source is the non-credible one and/or they end up revealing to not understand what a "US production number" means. Heck, at the low-level it's amazing how many people can't grasp the difference between production numbers and sales numbers. I should be fair though because a good all-encompassing definition of what qualifies as a production number for country XYZ is not as straight forward as it seems as first glance (e.g. due to situations and statuses of IDS imports/exports, company vehicles, warranty statuses, installed equipment, ect).

Ok, so the high-level philosophy behind my data is a "bottom up" approach rather than a "top down" approach to production numbers. An example to illustrate what I mean by a "top down" approach in this context is the person who comes along waiving a single piece of paper saying it has all the XYZ production numbers in these here tables. Statistically speaking, that's not data.. those are summary statistics about the data. It may be good for casual conversation but it sucks beyond that because it is only good at answering a specific/narrow set of questions.

Instead, what I describe as a "bottom up" approach is one whereby my first goal was to get a VIN and as much associated metadata as possible, and do that for each VIN in search space of theoretical possible VINs. This requires a rule [or rather, a set of rules] which defines the complete search space of VINs. Once the rules are defined, I carry out this search process until it's complete. Finally, now that in theory I have "k" supplementary metadata fields (information that cannot be deduced by decoding VIN characters) about 100% of the VINs in the search space (in this case, the 9-2X), coming up with "Production Numbers" is an elementary groupby->agg/count procedure. That's why I always say that the publication of production numbers (aggregated summary statistics) in my case was merely a fortunate bi-product of my primary uses for the data. That's also why I'm able to create a flexible interface which allow for questions of varying nature about production numbers to be answered.

In the case of the 9-2X, considering we have the same production numbers now at the joint Year/Trim/Transmission level, and we went about getting our data in competing ways, I'd say that's a pretty damn good sign the data that the US 9-2X community has is perfect. On one hand, that wants to make me say "Looks Good, Jobs Done" and move on as 9-2X VIN data/metadata makes up under 1% of my complete Saab VIN dataset... in my journey working with the other 99%, I feel like I've seen and dealt with every possible headache, but I'm wiser than that and know I still have a lot of late 80s / early 90s Saab 900/9000 data to put together accurately because those OG Saab guys will seriously cut you if you get something about their particular car/VIN wrong.  alot

So krazykarguy, does that answer your question about the validity of my data? Now, it's your turn to dance. wink


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#359 2015-08-18 21:48:21

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

Rather than continue to fill this particular thread with more banter, I've PM'd you. Check your inbox.


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#360 2015-08-19 00:13:28

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

arrow-up my brain hurts after reading that


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#361 2015-08-19 12:54:04

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

I have a feeling that mine will already be in the registry, but I'm curious to know the production number and to help out if even possible. (It was listed online at one point.)

Anyway, this should be right? lol

05 Aero 5MT
09/04
Brilliant Red
#6694
Cold Weather

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#362 2015-08-19 13:28:06

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

Oh, never did this!

05 Aero 4EAT
Arctic silver
Cold weather package
#1453


'05 silver aero / 3" straight pipe, cobb stage 1, 4eat

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#363 2015-08-24 20:11:44

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

zissou wrote:

krazykarguy wrote:

zissou wrote:

There is a chance OP and I have spoken recently (if not it was the guy who started this forum I believe), but I'm behind the eSaabParts 92x production numbers here: https://www.esaabparts.com/saab/product … 5_2006.php

There are also filterable Saab production numbers at the site for the 9-3 (9400/9440), 9-5 (9600/650), and 9-7X for now.

The total US production number I have for the US is the same as the OP here -- 9292. I have the VINs behind all my data plus a varying amount of metadata for each model. The majority of it isn't released publically -- basically only aggregated statistics are included.

Also, FWIW, the VIN search/decoder on the site still says it doesn't handle 92x VINs if you enter one, but I just need to take the time to translate my 92x decoder logic to a different programming language for the website VIN search (Python->PHP). I'll get to it soon, but 92x part searches work just fine if you select the vehicle manually.

Anyways, to the OP, if you think I have some 92x data you want, I'd be willing to discuss a trade (most likely one where I receive the 92x production number ordering schema).

I was provided the VIN list by the original site owner. It was not me that you spoke with.

Hi there! Glad to come across someone else who shares a passion for a specific vehicle. I checked out your site and definitely have a bunch of questions. Your production numbers do not match mine when using the filters for US VIN data that I have confirmed via GM.

For example, I show a total 2005 U.S. Aero production as 3,290 (1937 5MT / 1,353 4EAT), where you show 4,539 (1,910 5MT / 2,639 5AT). In addition, your 2005 data shows that the Aero production was higher than the Linear at 3,290 units. Anyone familiar with these cars will tell you that the base Linears are far more common than the up-spec Aero. You've got your numbers backwards!

I would love to discuss this further and possibly see what your data consists of. Your online tool is pretty awesome, BTW - I only question the validity of the data.


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#364 2015-09-03 09:22:31

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

Oh man just picked up the 92x last week. I get to play the game!

I'm owner #3 and it was up on Cars.com, so it may already be in the registry, but:

2005 Aero 5MT
Arctic Silver
Cold Weather Package
Production: 04/04
Vin: -1353


'05 9-2x Aero 5MT
'00 Forester S 5MT (RIP 1999-2014)
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#365 2015-09-29 23:23:36

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

I too am curious to know if I am already in the registry?

2005 Aero 5MT
Red
Cold Weather Package
Vin#7043


'05 9-2x Aero 5spd

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#366 2015-12-15 23:15:35

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

Oh I don't think I did this either, forgot my forum username from forever ago as well.

2005 Aero 5MT
Black
Cold Weather Package
Vin#0530

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#367 2016-04-15 00:00:17

jonnyshatter
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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

banana Lets add another one  driving

2005 92x Aero
5MT
CWP
Premium Sound pkg
Moonroof
17's
HID's
Silver
03/04
VIN: 0282

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#368 2016-05-01 18:16:06

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From: Roseville, CA
Registered: 2014-07-31
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Posts: 98

Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

Here's mine:

2005 Aero 5MT
7697
Blue
No Upgrade Packages

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#369 2016-05-09 11:50:25

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

2006 Aero MT
Black
Cold/Sport
0824

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#370 2016-05-09 13:58:11

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

All-

I'm not adding any more cars to the now completed US registry.

If you have a car originally purchased in Canada, please PM me the information.

Thanks-
Matt


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#371 2016-05-12 00:32:00

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Re: Finally! Solid overall production figures for the 9-2x!

This gives me all the more reason to replace the engine in my linear and not listen to my friends that are telling me to sell it and get something faster  biggrin Saying I own one of 2000 makes is pretty sweet, almost like having a 22b but not quite  tongue

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