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#51 2012-12-21 10:36:43

Rodman
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From: Long Island
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Re: My new toy

Been a week since my car got tuned and engine swap is officially done. It is incredible, I don't see ever needing anything more. Wow!


2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i 5 speed manual daily driver.
2006 WRX, smoked, should've never betrayed 2.0L love.

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#52 2012-12-21 10:57:09

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Re: My new toy

It's obviously early, but how's the gas mileage?


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#53 2012-12-21 12:41:58

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Re: My new toy

Also, I think I saw it in the threads you posted, but these jdm STI motors are all 8.0 compression, correct?  If so, does off boost throttle sensitivity feel effectively the same as the usdm, 2.0 wrx motor?  Avcs able to help out any?

One of the bigger complaints I have with our motors. My friends s2000 FEELS more torquey around town and is extremely throttle sensitive even in higher gears at low speeds. Make me wtf.


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#54 2012-12-21 13:09:29

Rodman
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Re: My new toy

Seems identical to stg2 on the usdm ej205, I filled up sunday as usual, have a 40 mile daily commute plus lots of running around, a skirmish with an srt8 challenger and another with a g37, both kills, lol. By the time I get back home today I'll still be above 1/4 tank mark. That's pretty much what I get on the 92x. By friday night I'm normally about 1/4 tank. My commute is 98% highway and I like using cruise control, set from 65 mph to 70 mph depending on mood or sense of urgency and the road has a couple of good hills. I short shift when driving around town and stay off boost on ramps getting on the highway. I always do my best to conserve fuel, most of the time, but there are exceptions when I just don't care. I will have accurate fuel consumption calculations in a few weeks, I'm still abusing the gas pedal too much and want to make sure the computer is done learning and operating under my driving style conditions.


2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i 5 speed manual daily driver.
2006 WRX, smoked, should've never betrayed 2.0L love.

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#55 2012-12-21 13:31:16

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Re: My new toy

tlow98 wrote:

Also, I think I saw it in the threads you posted, but these jdm STI motors are all 8.0 compression, correct?  If so, does off boost throttle sensitivity feel effectively the same as the usdm, 2.0 wrx motor?  Avcs able to help out any?

One of the bigger complaints I have with our motors. My friends s2000 FEELS more torquey around town and is extremely throttle sensitive even in higher gears at low speeds. Make me wtf.

I asked a similar question in eqlized's swap thread.  His response:

http://saab92x.com/viewtopic.php?pid=509938#p509938

And another relevant post further down the page:

http://saab92x.com/viewtopic.php?pid=510208#p510208


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#56 2012-12-22 06:07:29

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Re: My new toy

Thanks, kornfed.  I believe that pretty much seals the deal if and when the 2.0 ever pops.  It's even, almost reasonable to consider cost-wise.  It's not like the JDM motor is unrea$onable.  It's all about the tune, and avoiding that tempting 6 speed mod, but that helps low speed torque as well... hmmmm.

EDIT: adding a 6 speed trans nearly doubles the cost of this path. Holy shit.

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#57 2012-12-23 21:59:01

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Re: My new toy

Rodman wrote:

Seems identical to stg2 on the usdm ej205...

I know you are talkin' gas mileage, but how does the power compare? I was told that a stage 2 setup would net around 300hp to the crank. These 207's have 280 at the crank, right? I'm pretty happy with stage 2, because I really never get anywhere near redline. I usually shift around 5k when I'm getting on the freeway. Is the main benefit the ~8k redline?


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#58 2012-12-24 00:58:51

Rodman
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Re: My new toy

Oh no, it's 286 wheel horse power but better yet it's 302 foot pounds of torque at the wheels after tuning. Stock rating is 280 crank horsepower. No need to redline, builds so much power so fast. I posted the dyno graph. Have a look at it, you can see, makes full torque by 3800 rpm's. I love it  roxor

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2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i 5 speed manual daily driver.
2006 WRX, smoked, should've never betrayed 2.0L love.

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#59 2013-02-05 23:44:35

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Re: My new toy

Here's a recent photo of my bugeye wag, love it.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i193/D-Rodman/Snapbucket/59F178B0_zpsafdf2557.jpg


2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i 5 speed manual daily driver.
2006 WRX, smoked, should've never betrayed 2.0L love.

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#60 2013-02-06 02:21:39

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Re: My new toy

Beautiful   heart

How's the 5 speed holding out? What clutch did you settle on in the end?


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2005 Saab 9-2x Aero 5MT
2006 Saab 9-2x Linear 5MT

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#61 2013-02-06 02:34:13

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Re: My new toy

Random question.  How easy would it be to have two maps  to run?  One for high octane and one for low.  Could you still use something like an COBB AP (with custom tunes) for this?

And since I never stop asking...  Are those JDM seats much better than your stock Aeros?  Mostly interested in Lumbar support.

And yep, that is one sweet wagon.

Last edited by tlow98 (2013-02-06 02:58:46)


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#62 2013-02-06 03:22:08

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Re: My new toy

i run multiple maps with my cobb ap, high and low boost with pump/E85
easy to switch

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#63 2013-02-06 04:32:21

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Re: My new toy

This applies to the JDM motor/ecu as well?


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#64 2013-02-06 05:44:49

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Re: My new toy

Gotta love the all the torque at low rpms.  Mine is full tq at 3400  eek 

Was waiting to do the same swap since my Bugeye wagon had 210k miles on it. Damn thing kept going.


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#65 2013-02-06 09:37:42

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Re: My new toy

tlow98 wrote:

This applies to the JDM motor/ecu as well?

No AP works for JDM ECUs.


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2005 Saab 9-2x Aero 5MT
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#66 2013-02-06 10:09:06

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Re: My new toy

That looks great. Are you still

Rodman wrote:

sitting on take off stock saabaru struts and 05 STI take off sedan springs

?


2005 Aero 5MT - US Production # 123

New Shortblock, Stage 1 Tune by Kinetic, De-Catted Uppipe, STi Axleback, Group N Tranny Mount/Poly Tranny Crossmember Bushings, Cusco Frame Brace and Rear Diffuser, TWM Short Shift Kit w/ F&R Stay Bushings, Ixiz Clutch, Dead Pedal, Koyo All Aluminum Radiator, Debadged/Detrimmed, RALLYMOOSE DECAL!!

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#67 2013-02-06 11:11:47

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Re: My new toy

Thank you, I really love my bugeye.

The 5 speed is doing fine, got lucky with a BA code, surprised been that my car is an 02 but glad to have the better tranny. When the weather outside becomes more friendly I'm going to change tranny and dif fluid again. I had it changed at the time the clutch got done at my friend's shop but I'm sure the use cheap oil. I'm going to put s-gear oil in it and continue to drive my car smartly, minimizing shock to the gears is the way to get the most life out of it. Eventually I'll decide if upgrading the 5 speed internals or 6 speed swap.
The clutch is the oem style exedy, works perfectly, took a while to break in, I'm on stock resurfaced flywheel.

Engine management is open sorce, the sky is the limit to what you can do. You would store the maps in a laptop and need a tactrix cable, simple but no accessport for early Jdm ecu's.
The seats are usdm STI, I like them as much as my seats in my aero but you are right about the lack of lumbar support.

Yes, I'm still on the struts that came stock on my aero and take off 05 STI sedan springs. Also stock sway bars and end links. I'm happy with it as is, rides good and goes really well on turns. I'm going to keep the stock sway bars since I like them so much and install whiteline end links and bushings. When the struts go I'll reconsider what to do but I really like the stockish suspension for a dd that is not going to get any auto cross or track time at all.

Last edited by Rodman (2013-02-06 11:13:26)


2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i 5 speed manual daily driver.
2006 WRX, smoked, should've never betrayed 2.0L love.

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#68 2013-02-06 11:20:24

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Re: My new toy

Rodman wrote:

Yes, I'm still on the struts that came stock on my aero and take off 05 STI sedan springs. Also stock sway bars and end links. I'm happy with it as is, rides good and goes really well on turns. I'm going to keep the stock sway bars since I like them so much and install whiteline end links and bushings. When the struts go I'll reconsider what to do but I really like the stockish suspension for a dd that is not going to get any auto cross or track time at all.

Are you using any saggy butt spacers? Seems like people have luck with the sedan springs, even though wagon-specific is available. I like the modest-but-not-quite-stock stance.

I am trying to decide what to do on my car. My goal is to 'level out' my car. It's only a DD so it will probably not see track time or autox either.


2005 Aero 5MT - US Production # 123

New Shortblock, Stage 1 Tune by Kinetic, De-Catted Uppipe, STi Axleback, Group N Tranny Mount/Poly Tranny Crossmember Bushings, Cusco Frame Brace and Rear Diffuser, TWM Short Shift Kit w/ F&R Stay Bushings, Ixiz Clutch, Dead Pedal, Koyo All Aluminum Radiator, Debadged/Detrimmed, RALLYMOOSE DECAL!!

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#69 2013-02-06 11:33:01

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Re: My new toy

Thanks for the reply. I used s-gear oil on my trans and diff @ ~60k and really like the improved shift action.


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#70 2013-02-06 12:52:08

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Re: My new toy

Yes, forgot to mention the spacers, they are Izix 8mm. The spacers get the job done, wheel fender gaps look to be the same or really close to the same front and rear. I should measure the gaps but I've been happy with the looks. The pink wagon specific spring rates are just about identical to the take off sedan sti spring rates. However STI sedan take off's only lower the wagon 10mm front and with the 8mm spacer in the back its probably a 5mm drop. The handling is transformed with the stiffer springs, its why I see no need for beefier sway bars on this one. I have more suspension mods on the aero, its overkill for a 100% street car if you want to keep some comfort. The spacers have been completely reliable, no noise, no issues, get them from IZIX, our own forum member and all around smart guy if you need a set.

I was considering the uncle scotty cocktail for the gear fluids but the guy is so rude, never to me directly but to so many people. Don't feel like giving the guy any credibility by using his experimental oil cocktail. The aero has been on mobil 1 gear fluids for 70,000 miles. I didn't like the feeling of it initially but got used to it, hasn't caused any problems.  Going to try s-gear on the bugeye, may have to treat the aero to some as well.

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2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i 5 speed manual daily driver.
2006 WRX, smoked, should've never betrayed 2.0L love.

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#71 2013-02-06 13:14:44

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Re: My new toy

Thanks for the info. up Seems like a great option for a small budget.


2005 Aero 5MT - US Production # 123

New Shortblock, Stage 1 Tune by Kinetic, De-Catted Uppipe, STi Axleback, Group N Tranny Mount/Poly Tranny Crossmember Bushings, Cusco Frame Brace and Rear Diffuser, TWM Short Shift Kit w/ F&R Stay Bushings, Ixiz Clutch, Dead Pedal, Koyo All Aluminum Radiator, Debadged/Detrimmed, RALLYMOOSE DECAL!!

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#72 2013-02-07 01:31:00

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Re: My new toy

FWIW, the gear oil had not been changed in my car, that I know of, since new.  So, I'm sure a lot of the improvement was over the fact that the oil was just old.  I do, however, really like the shift action now.  I used 32 motorsports to purchase it, FYI.  Came fast and was easy to deal with.  Price seemed reasonable to me.


juiceboxI was told that a stage 2 setup would net around 300hp to the crank.

Also, I think that number's a bit exaggerated for a Cobb Stage II car (custom tunes can yield in the 230-240 whp range with boost controller, etc at the limit of the stock fuel system).  More often than not they struggle to put down 210 whp which generously equates to about 265 crank horsepowers.  I think it's widely accepted that the usdm 2.0's are a bit over-rated from the factory and the jdm 2.0's are a bit under-rated.  All in all the jdm sti motors are a pretty big improvement.


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#73 2013-02-07 03:25:29

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Re: My new toy

arrow-up
A OEM jdm sti has 300tq right from the factory tune with 98RON gas. We have 94pump in Ontario and a guy I know who has a full JDM V8 STi swapped linear put down 330whp. He was really aggressive withthe tune but otherwise was mostly stock.. he ran high 12s on crappy tires.... so even with a peashooter VF36/37, its not uncommom to see 300whp+ with a catted dp!


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2005 Saab 9-2x Aero 5MT
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#74 2013-02-09 16:46:43

Rodman
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Re: My new toy

Snow day!
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i193/D-Rodman/Snapbucket/D01CE662_zps51db2334.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i193/D-Rodman/Snapbucket/3BAB019C_zps0d025204.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i193/D-Rodman/Snapbucket/73147FE9_zps99c9c806.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i193/D-Rodman/Snapbucket/D2C38CA7_zps249b69c2.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i193/D-Rodman/Snapbucket/9095CA38_zps154baf8d.jpg


2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i 5 speed manual daily driver.
2006 WRX, smoked, should've never betrayed 2.0L love.

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#75 2013-04-16 23:38:20

2JZ
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Re: My new toy

Hows the EJ207 holding up? I've been meaning to ask: did you upgrade the wastegate actuator? My ixiz EBCS is coming in and I am thinking of upgrading the wastegate actuator (LukeSkyWRX recommended it to me)

Long island NJ or NY? I plan on making a trip down to NJ, perhaps we could meet up  driving curious how your 5MT stacks up to the close ratio 6!

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