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#1 2012-05-23 19:02:19

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Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4565969/_screenshots/Screen%20Shot%202012-05-23%20at%203.59.53%20PM.png

This company is converting BMW E46's to all electric for 15,000.   Pretty damn good deal IMO considering the price of a new leaf, volt, or any hybrid.   I have long said that my Aero is my last car with a combustion engine, and have been waiting for something just like this.. that is if it is all its cracked up to be.

Pretty impressive specs:  300hp, 300 f/p torque.  100 miles a charge for the base model, with normal default bmw cargo space.  180 miles a charge if you want to take up some trunk space with more battery.  2.5 hours to fully charge.  It's computer interfaces with the stock BMW ECU.  Other goodies, bluetooth with Android etc.

It's too bad they are starting with BMW's.. I'd be curious to talk to the guy about AWD cars.  I would love to give my car new life in 5 years when gas is $10/gal and it has 200,000 miles on it.  On the other hand, if i grow old with an electric car, I damn sure wouldn't want to be sitting in the seats of the 9-2x, the E46 has far superior interior.  smile

EDIT:  They sell this as a kit as well if you want to try it on your own.  driving

Check out the video and read about here:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/elec … ire-video/


ps. I wanted to embed the video, but it's hosted on viddler, and i don't know how to embed iframe content on our site.  Is that possible?

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#2 2012-05-23 20:03:53

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

Well I'll be damned...  Gonna discuss this with the wife tonight (we're in the market for a third car).  I wonder how hard this would be to maintain myself.  Possibly easier than a bmw with a real engine in it?


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#3 2012-05-23 20:13:16

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

I would think so, just due to less mechanical parts, way less.  Assuming the parts in the kit are quality to begin with.  Check out their site. They are based in Palo Alto, so not too far from you.


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#4 2012-05-23 23:24:18

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

theleveler wrote:

Well I'll be damned...  Gonna discuss this with the wife tonight (we're in the market for a third car).  I wonder how hard this would be to maintain myself.  Possibly easier than a bmw with a real engine in it?

Daily maintenance will likely be required. 

I've seen plenty of DIY conversions that have ranged from extremely crude to extremely well done, and I'd place this conversion at slightly better than average.  All of the conversions I've seen required daily maintenance because, for the most part, these people don't have a clue at to how to make them reliable.  This one isn't any different.  Exposed electronics mounted to a battery terminal will fail, it isn't a question of if but when.  The battery pack is highly suspicious, they obviously haven't done any thermal testing an have no means to cool or heat the batteries.  I doubt the battery pack will last more than a couple of years.

When you look at a Volt, Leaf, or a Tesla, you will see that they are light years ahead of these guys in understanding and implementing what it takes to make for a reliable.

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#5 2012-05-24 00:06:59

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

tonka92x wrote:

theleveler wrote:

Well I'll be damned...  Gonna discuss this with the wife tonight (we're in the market for a third car).  I wonder how hard this would be to maintain myself.  Possibly easier than a bmw with a real engine in it?

Daily maintenance will likely be required. 

I've seen plenty of DIY conversions that have ranged from extremely crude to extremely well done, and I'd place this conversion at slightly better than average.  All of the conversions I've seen required daily maintenance because, for the most part, these people don't have a clue at to how to make them reliable.  This one isn't any different.  Exposed electronics mounted to a battery terminal will fail, it isn't a question of if but when.  The battery pack is highly suspicious, they obviously haven't done any thermal testing an have no means to cool or heat the batteries.  I doubt the battery pack will last more than a couple of years.

When you look at a Volt, Leaf, or a Tesla, you will see that they are light years ahead of these guys in understanding and implementing what it takes to make for a reliable.

Excellent points!  I definitely see your wisdom after seeing this guy:

http://www.emotorwerks.com/images/team/VM_headshot_s.jpg

I do not trust that haircut with my car.


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#6 2012-05-24 06:15:29

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

If these battery set ups are anything like the type used in commercial electric equipment (pallet jacks, floor scrubbers, etc.), you will have to perform a daily check of the water level on each cell.

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#7 2012-05-24 08:11:37

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

Tonka wins.

Take a look at the engine bay close up.  CPU fand on teh heat sink, rat's nest wiring... Looks like a nightmare.

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#8 2012-05-24 09:41:29

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

Blasphemy.

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#9 2012-05-24 11:06:04

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

Love that school bus puke orange color  star

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#10 2012-05-24 11:13:25

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

It's no E30

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#11 2012-05-24 12:48:49

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

100 mile range?  Meh.

Electric cars are a joke anyway.  Useful maybe for city run-abouts, but not as a viable large-scale solution.

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#12 2012-05-24 12:50:59

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

DeltaV wrote:

100 mile range?  Meh.

Electric cars are a joke anyway.  Useful maybe for city run-abouts, but not as a viable large-scale solution.

Yet.

I can imagine people at the turn of the 20th century...  "You mean you have to fill that thing up with gas every so often?  That'll never catch on, my horse goes for days..."


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#13 2012-05-24 13:49:12

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

tonka92x wrote:

When you look at a Volt, Leaf, or a Tesla, you will see that they are light years ahead of these guys in understanding and implementing what it takes to make for a reliable.

Of course Tesla, Nissan, and GM are light years ahead, agreed.  I spent a couple days at the Tesla plant last year, drove their roadster, and spent time with their new S line.  You are right, light years ahead.. and awesome cars.  That is what over 800 million dollars of funding and R&D will buy you.  I fully support Elon, Tesla, and what they are doing.. I just can't afford 100k for the roadster, or 72k for their new sedan that is being released very soon.

As far as the EMW, and their owner w/ the bad haircut, I am more interested in buying the kit than having him build one for me.   But I like to see an independent company doing what they can to try to compete with the big guys.


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#14 2012-05-24 14:47:46

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

bump909 wrote:

Blasphemy.

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#15 2012-05-24 15:38:10

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

Silently wrote:

DeltaV wrote:

100 mile range?  Meh.

Electric cars are a joke anyway.  Useful maybe for city run-abouts, but not as a viable large-scale solution.

Yet.

I can imagine people at the turn of the 20th century...  "You mean you have to fill that thing up with gas every so often?  That'll never catch on, my horse goes for days..."

Horses are made from grass and, well, other horses, which were plentiful and self-processing.

Cars are made from iron and run on oil, both of which were (at least at one time) plentiful and reasonably easy to process.

Fancy battery packs, however, rely on materials which are much less plentiful, come from countries such as China which are just a hair friendlier than the Mid East & Venezuela, and require more advanced and environmentally complicated processing.  There is enough of the stuff around so that urbanites can feel like they're doing something to help the environment (and it may be a good choice for them if it is mainly used for short-distance commuting with the occasional day-trip), but not enough to 'fuel' even the transportation needs of America (cars, buses, heavy trucks, and aircraft), let alone the rest of the world.

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#16 2012-05-24 16:26:42

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#17 2012-05-24 16:40:03

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

Justin80 wrote:

It's no E30

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#18 2012-05-30 12:51:19

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Re: Electric Motor Werks E46 hands-on

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Justin80 wrote:

It's no E30


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