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#26 2014-02-22 20:08:58

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

I am ruling out golfs as I have had bad experience.

Do tell more.


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#27 2014-02-22 20:29:36

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

eurospek wrote:

Jameson wrote:

I am ruling out golfs as I have had bad experience.

Do tell more.

My CC was a big Golf, same engine/trans/brakes/electronics etc.

New water pump and intake manifold at 38k, 5 coil packs, and according to the forum, many many people did the water pumps and intakes more than once under warranty.  There were CC  and GTI guys with 2-3 replacements under 75k miles.   Deal breaker for me.

I hear good things about the TDIs though.


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#28 2014-02-24 10:00:20

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

eurospek wrote:

Jameson wrote:

I am ruling out golfs as I have had bad experience.

Do tell more.

My CC was a big Golf, same engine/trans/brakes/electronics etc.

New water pump and intake manifold at 38k, 5 coil packs, and according to the forum, many many people did the water pumps and intakes more than once under warranty.  There were CC  and GTI guys with 2-3 replacements under 75k miles.   Deal breaker for me.

I hear good things about the TDIs though.

I guess I should stop considering the GLI.


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#29 2014-02-24 12:13:03

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

SaabaruRS wrote:

Jameson wrote:

eurospek wrote:


Do tell more.

My CC was a big Golf, same engine/trans/brakes/electronics etc.

New water pump and intake manifold at 38k, 5 coil packs, and according to the forum, many many people did the water pumps and intakes more than once under warranty.  There were CC  and GTI guys with 2-3 replacements under 75k miles.   Deal breaker for me.

I hear good things about the TDIs though.

I guess I should stop considering the GLI.

Maybe with a 100k warranty.  If I did not insist on having them CPo mine, I would have been out $3k easy.  I sold my car before the 60k cpo expired..


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#30 2014-02-24 13:02:51

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

off topic question jameson, but how do you like the 9-3? im thinking about picking up a newer one as my daily

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#31 2014-02-24 17:12:38

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

SaabaruRS wrote:

Jameson wrote:


My CC was a big Golf, same engine/trans/brakes/electronics etc.

New water pump and intake manifold at 38k, 5 coil packs, and according to the forum, many many people did the water pumps and intakes more than once under warranty.  There were CC  and GTI guys with 2-3 replacements under 75k miles.   Deal breaker for me.

I hear good things about the TDIs though.

I guess I should stop considering the GLI.

Maybe with a 100k warranty.  If I did not insist on having them CPo mine, I would have been out $3k easy.  I sold my car before the 60k cpo expired..

Warranty is nice to have, but who wants to keep arranging service visits with the dealer?!?


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#32 2014-02-24 18:39:29

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

SaabaruRS wrote:

Jameson wrote:

SaabaruRS wrote:


I guess I should stop considering the GLI.

Maybe with a 100k warranty.  If I did not insist on having them CPo mine, I would have been out $3k easy.  I sold my car before the 60k cpo expired..

Warranty is nice to have, but who wants to keep arranging service visits with the dealer?!?

So you wanted a Volkswagen..  roll


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#33 2014-02-24 22:13:46

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

maverickPixel wrote:

off topic question jameson, but how do you like the 9-3? im thinking about picking up a newer one as my daily

We love ours.  XWD is great and the tune made it come alive.  Interior is kind of meh compared to euro cars of the same day but it costs less so it evens out.  We have had three in the family so far.


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#34 2014-02-25 18:19:48

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

I've been keeping an eye on this thread because I'm also looking for a new wagon and Jameson and I have the exact same requirements in a vehicle. But the possible candidates which meet those requirements is depressingly small. The newer BMW and Audi wagons only use 2.0T engines. It's just not enough for me with a heavy wagon and a high altitude (6,800 ft) power loss of 15%-20%.

http://jalopnik.com/only-0-09-percent-o … 1454259605

I really like the V60 Polestar, but it doesn't come in a manual.  mad

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2015-Volvo-V60-Polestar-placement-626x382.jpg



Why can't we get something like this here in the US for a reasonable price?

http://cdn.carbuzz.com/images2/360000/2000/900/362926.jpg

http://cdn.carbuzz.com/images2/360000/2000/900/362922.jpg


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#35 2014-02-25 18:28:24

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

arrow-up Good God that is sexy (minus those wheels). I totally agree with you guys on the lack of reasonably priced, fun, AWD, manual wagons. That polestar would be such a unique car to have.


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#36 2014-02-25 22:13:11

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

The Polestar is a lot more attractive than the Jag IMO. If I could get that thing in a manual...oof.

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#37 2014-02-26 00:22:15

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

ERP wrote:

I've been keeping an eye on this thread because I'm also looking for a new wagon and Jameson and I have the exact same requirements in a vehicle. But the possible candidates which meet those requirements is depressingly small. The newer BMW and Audi wagons only use 2.0T engines. It's just not enough for me with a heavy wagon and a high altitude (6,800 ft) power loss of 15%-20%.

http://jalopnik.com/only-0-09-percent-o … 1454259605

I really like the V60 Polestar, but it doesn't come in a manual.  mad

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/2015-Volvo-V60-Polestar-placement-626x382.jpg



Why can't we get something like this here in the US for a reasonable price?

http://cdn.carbuzz.com/images2/360000/2000/900/362926.jpg

http://cdn.carbuzz.com/images2/360000/2000/900/362922.jpg

The 328 wagon, though only a 2.0T is a high 13 second car.  Nothing to sneeze at.  It takes a 325hp Volvo to crack 13's.


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#38 2014-02-26 11:47:02

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

The 328 wagon, though only a 2.0T is a high 13 second car.  Nothing to sneeze at.  It takes a 325hp Volvo to crack 13's.

That sounds good near sea level. But at my altitude these high strung factory 2.0 engines, with their small turbos, can not compensate enough to make up the loss in air density. I regularly drive in the mountains at 10,000 ft; so the 250 hp engine becomes a 175 hp engine and the 1/4 mile takes 16-17 seconds. The summer RV traffic can be quite bad and I like having the power to pass a long train of campers. You know I'm a fan of 2.0T engines, but since moving to Colorado I have been eyeing larger displacement engines.


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#39 2014-02-26 12:47:14

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

thebillsman wrote:

SaabaruRS wrote:

Jameson wrote:


Maybe with a 100k warranty.  If I did not insist on having them CPo mine, I would have been out $3k easy.  I sold my car before the 60k cpo expired..

Warranty is nice to have, but who wants to keep arranging service visits with the dealer?!?

So you wanted a Volkswagen..  roll

I never said 'wanted', I said I considered it.


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#40 2014-02-27 11:23:15

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

ERP wrote:

Jameson wrote:

The 328 wagon, though only a 2.0T is a high 13 second car.  Nothing to sneeze at.  It takes a 325hp Volvo to crack 13's.

That sounds good near sea level. But at my altitude these high strung factory 2.0 engines, with their small turbos, can not compensate enough to make up the loss in air density. I regularly drive in the mountains at 10,000 ft; so the 250 hp engine becomes a 175 hp engine and the 1/4 mile takes 16-17 seconds. The summer RV traffic can be quite bad and I like having the power to pass a long train of campers. You know I'm a fan of 2.0T engines, but since moving to Colorado I have been eyeing larger displacement engines.

The Viggen compensated for higher elevations, what makes you ASSUME a new twin scroll DI engine wouldn't too?  Did you at least drive one to confirm your suspicion?

Also, the 328 is more like 250whp than 250 crank.  It would not go from a 13.8 to a 16+.

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#41 2014-02-27 11:35:35

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

I was surprised at how well my aero stage II did at altitude in Colorado.  I've driven many vehicles through Vail pass and I'd say percentage wise the ole 2.0 Saabaru lost less power than anything I'd driven.

6.2 liter small blocks felt rather gutless all of a sudden.


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#42 2014-02-27 15:58:46

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

I have a 2.5L, but it's still a tiny TD04 turbo and a 91 octane stage 1 tune, and I think my car does pretty well with compensating for altitude. My boost pressure gets pretty much to the same place at 11,000ft as it does at 5,000ft.

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#43 2014-02-27 16:11:01

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

the 328 is more like 250whp than 250 crank.

I couldn't find specs on a 328 BMW wagon making ~300 hp from a 2.0 engine. All I saw were 240 hp listings. I used 250 hp simply for my example, I wasn't referring directly to any specific car.

Jameson wrote:

what makes you ASSUME...

Because I've tested it and I know what I am talking about.

I have dynos from my old NG900 which made 230 whp in PA. When I brought it out to Colorado and dyno'd it at 5,800 ft it put down 190 whp, a 18% loss, and the SAE correction factor moved it up to 230 whp.

My stock Turbo X dyno'd at 202 whp at 5,800 ft. I had to upgrade the turbine to a 19T, install a catless downpipe and get it tuned just to put down 262 whp uncorrected. After all that my 0-60 time was only 5.7, barely better than a stock Turbo X at sea level.




Turbo'd engines are definitely preferred for altitude. They can make up for some of the loss. My point is that I do not want a high strung (300 hp) 2.0T engine for a heavy car at altitude. I would prefer a 3.0T engine making 300 hp. It provides much more room to work with.

dotmaster206 wrote:

My boost pressure gets pretty much to the same place at 11,000ft as it does at 5,000ft.

You should see a 2 psi drop in max boost. The difference between 11k ft and sea level is ~5 psi.

Last edited by ERP (2014-02-27 16:29:18)


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#44 2014-02-27 21:31:31

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Found the next wagon for my wife. Never mind, automatic only  unamused

http://www.rssportscars.com/cars/2014-audi-rs6-r-abt

http://www.rssportscars.com/photos/cars/2014-audi-rs6-r-abt/abt-rs6-r-01-black-m.jpg

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#45 2014-02-28 05:30:56

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

I dyno'd my 328 along with countless others.  Focus on the crank ratings all you want.

I asked if you have driven an f3x 328 at altitude.  I did not see a clear answer.

Your claim that it slows from a 13.8-14.1 to a now 16-17 second car is ludicrous.  Slow down some, sure,  add a second if you wish and its still faster and more fuel efficient than most other wagons you would consider.

ERP wrote:

Jameson wrote:

the 328 is more like 250whp than 250 crank.

I couldn't find specs on a 328 BMW wagon making ~300 hp from a 2.0 engine. All I saw were 240 hp listings. I used 250 hp simply for my example, I wasn't referring directly to any specific car.

Jameson wrote:

what makes you ASSUME...

Because I've tested it and I know what I am talking about.

I have dynos from my old NG900 which made 230 whp in PA. When I brought it out to Colorado and dyno'd it at 5,800 ft it put down 190 whp, a 18% loss, and the SAE correction factor moved it up to 230 whp.

My stock Turbo X dyno'd at 202 whp at 5,800 ft. I had to upgrade the turbine to a 19T, install a catless downpipe and get it tuned just to put down 262 whp uncorrected. After all that my 0-60 time was only 5.7, barely better than a stock Turbo X at sea level.




Turbo'd engines are definitely preferred for altitude. They can make up for some of the loss. My point is that I do not want a high strung (300 hp) 2.0T engine for a heavy car at altitude. I would prefer a 3.0T engine making 300 hp. It provides much more room to work with.

dotmaster206 wrote:

My boost pressure gets pretty much to the same place at 11,000ft as it does at 5,000ft.

You should see a 2 psi drop in max boost. The difference between 11k ft and sea level is ~5 psi.


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#46 2014-02-28 09:26:11

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Y'all may recall I was looking for something new last Fall: (http://saab92x.com/viewtopic.php?id=46441&p=1)
I'm in a later E90 335xi these days after having an early E90 M3. For me, there is something about driving a 3-series that I haven't yet found in any other car. I'd take lots test drives before you put the 328 up for sale..


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#47 2014-02-28 13:02:23

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

I dyno'd my 328 along with countless others.  Focus on the crank ratings all you want.

You seem to be taking this personally. I am not trying to bash the 328. I like it and think it is a good car. But you posted that the 2.0t makes 250 whp and is a high 13 second 1/4 mile car. I am not familiar with all the 328 versions and I could not find one that met those numbers. Is there a special model that has a higher output motor than the 240 hp I see listed everywhere or do they dyno much higher than BMW rates them? Or are you referring to modified ones?

Personally, I want a little more than the 328. If BMW made a 335 xi wagon 6mt I would snatch one up and be happy.

Jameson wrote:

Your claim that it slows from a 13.8-14.1 to a now 16-17 second car is ludicrous.  Slow down some, sure,  add a second if you wish and its still faster and more fuel efficient than most other wagons you would consider.

I wish it was ludicrous. Though to be fare I am using 11k ft for that example and it is a bit extreme. At the front range altitude where most people live in Colorado (5,000-7,000 ft) the increase in 1/4 mile times for a 2.0t car is about 1 second. I couldn't find time slips for the 328, but the stock 335's that have run at bandimere (5,800 ft) would trap in the 13.8-14.1 range.

But you need to appreciate what a difficult environment 11k ft is for an engine. Atmosphere pressure is not 14.7 psi, its 9.7 psi. There is 30% less oxygen density and the turbo can only compensate for some of that. So add to the 1 second deficit at 5,800 ft where the turbo is already maxed out or near it, and double the altitude. Thankfully there really isn't that much road at those altitudes in Colorado. But I drive through Park country once or twice a month and it's all above 9,000 ft.

If anyone wants to check it out here is the altitude calculator from Drag Times.
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-alt … ather+Data

Last edited by ERP (2014-02-28 13:08:46)


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#48 2014-03-02 13:07:05

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

I am not taking it personally, onlytelling you from FIRST hand experience of this car where I have the dynos of my own and others and a folder of 35 magazine tests that keep having more and examples of the328/428 cracking into the 13's. I only get annoyed when you imply it is some opinion of mine lol.

I am not and have not brought up modified n20 powered BMWs.  If I was not traveling I could show you a folder of a dozen links of 235-250whp STOCK dynos.  This is proven fact about a car I have owned for two years and heavily research.  Get it?

You say you have seen 335 times at higher elevation?   Good.  Because the N20 has shrunk the gap and is only .5 seconds slower in professional testing and again supports what I was saying that you would have a 14.8-15.1 using worst case scenario of your full second estimate.

Again, very clearly, your statement of it being a 16-17 sec car is what I find inaccurate regardless of what you know about older saabs you have had.  The 328 at your elevation is still faster 0-60 than your TX was, 1/4,  though traps were likely a toss up.  And this concept of it being so high strung, a bit of a misnomer.  Of course it will run more boost than a 3l, but drive one and know the boost it's running before labeling it as such.

To sum it up...DRIVE ONE!

ERP wrote:

Jameson wrote:

I dyno'd my 328 along with countless others.  Focus on the crank ratings all you want.

You seem to be taking this personally. I am not trying to bash the 328. I like it and think it is a good car. But you posted that the 2.0t makes 250 whp and is a high 13 second 1/4 mile car. I am not familiar with all the 328 versions and I could not find one that met those numbers. Is there a special model that has a higher output motor than the 240 hp I see listed everywhere or do they dyno much higher than BMW rates them? Or are you referring to modified ones?

Personally, I want a little more than the 328. If BMW made a 335 xi wagon 6mt I would snatch one up and be happy.

Jameson wrote:

Your claim that it slows from a 13.8-14.1 to a now 16-17 second car is ludicrous.  Slow down some, sure,  add a second if you wish and its still faster and more fuel efficient than most other wagons you would consider.

I wish it was ludicrous. Though to be fare I am using 11k ft for that example and it is a bit extreme. At the front range altitude where most people live in Colorado (5,000-7,000 ft) the increase in 1/4 mile times for a 2.0t car is about 1 second. I couldn't find time slips for the 328, but the stock 335's that have run at bandimere (5,800 ft) would trap in the 13.8-14.1 range.

But you need to appreciate what a difficult environment 11k ft is for an engine. Atmosphere pressure is not 14.7 psi, its 9.7 psi. There is 30% less oxygen density and the turbo can only compensate for some of that. So add to the 1 second deficit at 5,800 ft where the turbo is already maxed out or near it, and double the altitude. Thankfully there really isn't that much road at those altitudes in Colorado. But I drive through Park country once or twice a month and it's all above 9,000 ft.

If anyone wants to check it out here is the altitude calculator from Drag Times.
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-alt … ather+Data

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#49 2014-03-02 13:19:03

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Oakley wrote:

Y'all may recall I was looking for something new last Fall: (http://saab92x.com/viewtopic.php?id=46441&p=1)
I'm in a later E90 335xi these days after having an early E90 M3. For me, there is something about driving a 3-series that I haven't yet found in any other car. I'd take lots test drives before you put the 328 up for sale..

You have a whole other engine, whole other platform.  I have a BMW already that not to be rude, makes me laugh at anything BMW has made in tbe last decade in terms of feel, feedback and rush.  I don't see the point in having a car payment if this car isn't going to blow me over.  Its so capable, but its not passion and that includes any car it competes against.  It's less a knock on the 328, more about how spoiled I am about the E36/7.   The MS3 is a flawed/fun/raw experience and will give me Viggen like giggles without having to buy an old Saab again but have some 5dr practicality.


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#50 2014-03-02 13:22:59

Jameson
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From: MI
Registered: 2006-12-27
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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

That is pretty and that is rare.  I don't think I will do RWD in michigan again for winter.  I also love the sound of that NA 6,  but it's a bit low on power for me.


1998 BMW M Roadster, Dinan/RMS stage 2+@12psi
2006 Saab 9-5 Aero'D Combi 5mt stage5+@20psi
2009 Saab 9-3 Combi (too nice to call a beater-beater)
2015 Buick Regal "T" (wife's)

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