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#51 2014-03-02 14:16:17

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

arrow-up check again, it's x-drive.  And I got the idea BMW has sort of lost it's mystique.  Funny how M-B has sort gained what BMW has lost, and the same thing has happened on the other side of the planet, Lexus appears to have gained driver involvement and Infinity has lost it.  Sadly what this means is pretty well all nearly cars are going to end up acting in the middle, cars meant to be all things to everybody, not drivers cars but not isolation chambers either. Me thinks the only outliers will be Porsche and ... Mazda.


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#52 2014-03-02 16:38:48

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Scargo wrote:

arrow-up check again, it's x-drive.  And I got the idea BMW has sort of lost it's mystique.  Funny how M-B has sort gained what BMW has lost, and the same thing has happened on the other side of the planet, Lexus appears to have gained driver involvement and Infinity has lost it.  Sadly what this means is pretty well all nearly cars are going to end up acting in the middle, cars meant to be all things to everybody, not drivers cars but not isolation chambers either. Me thinks the only outliers will be Porsche and ... Mazda.

Xdrive yes, low on power still. And that asking price is what I paid for my new '13.  Sorry no loans this time, $13,500 budget.

BMW, it has and it hasn't.

MB is not on my radar, no manuals, and this droopy butt new design language is not appealing to me, it creates motion in the opposite direction I find appealing.  I would consider a GLA45 AMG for my wife though.

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#53 2014-03-02 16:45:10

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

That is pretty and that is rare.  I don't think I will do RWD in michigan again for winter.  I also love the sound of that NA 6,  but it's a bit low on power for me.

Really? My girlfriends 320i had a brand new set of Kumho KW22 this year in arguably the coldest and worst winter we've ever had in Ontario. I was so impressed how well it performed (sometimes better than my saabaru, especially in braking). Never got stuck either. My car also has snow tires.


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#54 2014-03-02 17:15:22

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

arrow-up don't know how rural and how hilly a situation Jameson will face, but out by me, a Blizzak equipped Cruze needed a healthy and steady push to get out of a cabin driveway on a cross country ski weekend, where my Altimax Artic equipped Saabaru just had to put up with side slipping and counter steering to get out of the way of the Cruze.  I used to think snowies were enough (and they probably are in most cases) but when it comes to being out in the boonies, I think the go anywhere, anytime aspect of AWD (and the added stability at highway speeds, although there I could be fooling myself) makes it worth it. If you only have to get around in a reasonably plowed city, then 2WD and snows may well work...and if RWD, be more fun.


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#55 2014-03-02 17:18:21

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

2JZ wrote:

Jameson wrote:

That is pretty and that is rare.  I don't think I will do RWD in michigan again for winter.  I also love the sound of that NA 6,  but it's a bit low on power for me.

Really? My girlfriends 320i had a brand new set of Kumho KW22 this year in arguably the coldest and worst winter we've ever had in Ontario. I was so impressed how well it performed (sometimes better than my saabaru, especially in braking). Never got stuck either. My car also has snow tires.

My car was fine with Sport M3s, but I have a steep 200 ft long driveway and we have foot afer foot of snow.  It was a bit much.  Our XWD Saab however was a amazing in how it could climb the snow and ice covered driveway.  We got 3 feet inside of a week, snowing every other day.  It sucked.   I also was more willing to let it sit in the garage to avoid the salt and pot holes when it has 12k miles and such a big car payment lol.  I like something this time to just own, drive and enjoy, even if a bit more flawed.  New stuff like the 328, it's almost sterile.  Open up to two doors or two seaters and yes, fun fun can be had.

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#56 2014-03-03 16:32:08

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson, this is getting ridiculous, you aren't reading my posts correctly. I never doubted your performance claims of the 328. When you said the 328 makes 250 whp and does 13.9 in the 1/4 mile I believed you. But all I saw on the car review websites was a 240 hp rated engine. So I tried to figure out what I was missing and asked for clarification, which is why I said to you; "I am not familiar with all the 328 versions ... do they dyno much higher than BMW rates them?"

But I don't care if the car makes 200, 250 or 300 whp from a 2.0t. It is still going to suffer when there is 30% less oxygen. If the 1/4 mile time goes up by 20% it is still doing much better than the NA and supercharged cars around it. To hurt things even more, the top octane fuel at gas stations here in Colorado is 91.

You keep telling me to drive one, as if that would change my view of the car. Iíve driven 250 whp 2.0t cars before and they are fun. But there is nothing so special about the N20 engine that it is going to perform significantly different. I bet it reaches full boost by 2.5-3k rpm and begins to fade at 5k. If modern cars were not so heavy that may be fine at altitude. But with most mid-size wagons approaching 2 tons, it just isnít enough for me.


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#57 2014-03-03 16:56:22

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

ERP wrote:

To hurt things even more, the top octane fuel at gas stations here in Colorado is 91.

That doesn't hurt anything. That's just all that's needed since you can't achieve the same amount of heat as us sea-level folks can, so you don't need as much resistance to knock. There's more energy potential in 91 octane, so it's the smarter fuel to use at your altitude.

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#58 2014-03-03 17:31:22

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

This is what makes internet arguments fun. Complicated topics are very nuanced. In this case, we are both correct. For NA and supercharged engines the power loss is in line with the increase in altitude. Their cylinder pressures are lower than at sea level and a 91 octane fuel may not affect power output. However, turbocharged engine can compensate for some of the air thinning. Example, a turbo engine which runs 15 psi of boost requires 93 octane at sea level to run in the top fuel maps. But at a high altitude the air pressure is 2 psi lower and the turbo is able to compensate and still run 15 psi absolute. (This 15 psi is also a bit hotter than the sea level 15 psi because the turbo is actually increasing atmospheric pressure by 17 psi). In this case the engine is capable of producing approximately the same horsepower as at sea level and may be hurt by running 91 octane fuel.

For a stock vehicle it probably is not a big problem. It really is more of an issue when modifying the engine to run at the edge of knock. Engine knock is typically the limiting factor when dialing in a custom tune on a modified engine. Running 93 octane could allow for another degree or two of timing over 91 and produce a bit more horsepower.

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#59 2014-03-04 05:22:04

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

It was coming off with out being in person dialog as you not listening to first hand experience because you had only saw published crank ratings lol.


And again, you are wrong on rpm, the N20 makes peak boost at a super low 1250rpms. 

And you can hypothesis all you want, drive the damn car.  It will either feel like a dog or be a pleasant surprise, what's the big deal in taking a test drive?

ERP wrote:

Jameson, this is getting ridiculous, you aren't reading my posts correctly. I never doubted your performance claims of the 328. When you said the 328 makes 250 whp and does 13.9 in the 1/4 mile I believed you. But all I saw on the car review websites was a 240 hp rated engine. So I tried to figure out what I was missing and asked for clarification, which is why I said to you; "I am not familiar with all the 328 versions ... do they dyno much higher than BMW rates them?"

But I don't care if the car makes 200, 250 or 300 whp from a 2.0t. It is still going to suffer when there is 30% less oxygen. If the 1/4 mile time goes up by 20% it is still doing much better than the NA and supercharged cars around it. To hurt things even more, the top octane fuel at gas stations here in Colorado is 91.

You keep telling me to drive one, as if that would change my view of the car. Iíve driven 250 whp 2.0t cars before and they are fun. But there is nothing so special about the N20 engine that it is going to perform significantly different. I bet it reaches full boost by 2.5-3k rpm and begins to fade at 5k. If modern cars were not so heavy that may be fine at altitude. But with most mid-size wagons approaching 2 tons, it just isnít enough for me.

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#60 2014-03-27 21:54:28

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Drove some cars and concluded we want a Saab wagon.  First choice is an '06-09 9-5 Aero 5mt which will not be easy to find.


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#61 2014-03-28 14:08:53

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

Drove some cars and concluded we want a Saab wagon.  First choice is an '06-09 9-5 Aero 5mt which will not be easy to find.

I wouldn't go for the Aero.  The only difference between the two is the stiffer suspension and different wheels, the latter are uglier IMO.  I've read a few complaints from Aero owners that the ride is too stiff and jarring.  Everything else is the same.  A 2.3T with a MT shouldn't be impossible to find... well maybe in Combi form.


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#62 2014-03-28 14:12:24

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

ERP wrote:

Found the next wagon for my wife. Never mind, automatic only  unamused

http://www.rssportscars.com/cars/2014-audi-rs6-r-abt

http://www.rssportscars.com/photos/cars/2014-audi-rs6-r-abt/abt-rs6-r-01-black-m.jpg

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#63 2014-03-28 17:49:47

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

SaabaruRS wrote:

Jameson wrote:

Drove some cars and concluded we want a Saab wagon.  First choice is an '06-09 9-5 Aero 5mt which will not be easy to find.

I wouldn't go for the Aero.  The only difference between the two is the stiffer suspension and different wheels, the latter are uglier IMO.  I've read a few complaints from Aero owners that the ride is too stiff and jarring.  Everything else is the same.  A 2.3T with a MT shouldn't be impossible to find... well maybe in Combi form.

Brought home a gray non Aero 2.3T Combi 5mt today.  Its pretty rare.


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#64 2014-03-28 18:49:29

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

SaabaruRS wrote:

Jameson wrote:

Drove some cars and concluded we want a Saab wagon.  First choice is an '06-09 9-5 Aero 5mt which will not be easy to find.

I wouldn't go for the Aero.  The only difference between the two is the stiffer suspension and different wheels, the latter are uglier IMO.  I've read a few complaints from Aero owners that the ride is too stiff and jarring.  Everything else is the same.  A 2.3T with a MT shouldn't be impossible to find... well maybe in Combi form.

Brought home a gray non Aero 2.3T Combi 5mt today.  Its pretty rare.

Nice scoop! Pics and review, plz


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#65 2014-03-28 22:39:40

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Bunnspeed wrote:

Jameson wrote:

SaabaruRS wrote:


I wouldn't go for the Aero.  The only difference between the two is the stiffer suspension and different wheels, the latter are uglier IMO.  I've read a few complaints from Aero owners that the ride is too stiff and jarring.  Everything else is the same.  A 2.3T with a MT shouldn't be impossible to find... well maybe in Combi form.

Brought home a gray non Aero 2.3T Combi 5mt today.  Its pretty rare.

Nice scoop! Pics and review, plz

Needs a detail, love it though.  It needs springs, sways, tune and exhaust/intake pronto.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/Jamesonsviggen/IMG_20140328_172752913_HDR_zpsdjdntmzu.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/Jamesonsviggen/IMG_20140328_172804241_zpss9jbgbia.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/Jamesonsviggen/IMG_20140328_172813652_zpsxsqfgzhl.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/Jamesonsviggen/IMG_20140328_172831679_HDR_zpsjufrud3x.jpg


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#66 2014-03-29 19:01:31

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

I saw a nice looking one the other day:

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t516/AERONH19/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps068155e4.jpg

And a nice bugeye in front of it:

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t516/AERONH19/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps9abe8d70.jpg


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#67 2014-03-29 19:15:24

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

That 9-5 is really nice. I almost wish I waited for a 9-5 but that wasn't in the cards.


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#68 2014-03-29 23:09:42

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Jameson wrote:

Bunnspeed wrote:

Jameson wrote:


Brought home a gray non Aero 2.3T Combi 5mt today.  Its pretty rare.

Nice scoop! Pics and review, plz

Needs a detail, love it though.  It needs springs, sways, tune and exhaust/intake pronto.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/Jamesonsviggen/IMG_20140328_172752913_HDR_zpsdjdntmzu.jpg

I'm a bit jealous, but only a bit.  Most people hate the post '05 front end, I absolutely love it.


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#69 2014-03-29 23:10:17

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

AERONH wrote:

I saw a nice looking one the other day:

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t516/AERONH19/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps068155e4.jpg

Blacked out headlight surround.  Nice.


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#70 2014-03-30 11:45:51

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

AERONH wrote:

I saw a nice looking one the other day:

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t516/AERONH19/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps068155e4.jpg

And a nice bugeye in front of it:

http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t516/AERONH19/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps9abe8d70.jpg

I like it, and plan on lowering it, but the black might be too severe.  I am trying SMOKE plasti-dip first.

I already bought a GenSaab intake.  Its getting a stage 1 tune soon, should be good for about 310hp at the crank.


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#71 2014-03-30 12:29:37

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

Smoke or gunmetal plastidip may be less obvious of a change, I agree that something should be done about that chrome though. What on earth made Saab think putting chrome trim around the headlights would look nice? I don't think I've seen that on any other car.

Congrats on ur purchase though!!  embeer


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#72 2014-03-30 14:43:13

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

ikbrown wrote:

Smoke or gunmetal plastidip may be less obvious of a change, I agree that something should be done about that chrome though. What on earth made Saab think putting chrome trim around the headlights would look nice? I don't think I've seen that on any other car.

Congrats on ur purchase though!!  embeer

Yep, trying gray/smoke first.  If I don't like it I can always get rid of it.  I can also scotch brite the chrome and buy the OEM color in a spray can and clear it.


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#73 2014-03-30 15:26:01

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

I know someone selling a pair of BMW wagons, both with sport package.  Older than your limit, but also a lot less money.  Neither is perfect, but here are the models:

1999 528 ITA
2001 540 ITA

I'm told the wagons with Sport Package were rare.  The 528 has an electrical problem, where the battery runs down when the car is parked.  I've read that there was a sticky relay problem, but I don't know what's been done to diagnose it.  The 540 is getting a brake fluid leak fixed (don't know what it is yet) and needs tires.


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#74 2014-04-02 09:18:21

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

I used smoke plasti-dip, gave it a very similar finish to the OEM trim of the TurboX.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/Jamesonsviggen/IMG_20140401_170726177_zpsznydlowc.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/Jamesonsviggen/IMG_20140401_170715450_zps9fkyojxt.jpg


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#75 2014-04-02 11:38:55

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Re: Soon to be gone BMW 328, replaced with?

lizzardo wrote:

I know someone selling a pair of BMW wagons, both with sport package.  Older than your limit, but also a lot less money.  Neither is perfect, but here are the models:

1999 528 ITA
2001 540 ITA

I'm told the wagons with Sport Package were rare.  The 528 has an electrical problem, where the battery runs down when the car is parked.  I've read that there was a sticky relay problem, but I don't know what's been done to diagnose it.  The 540 is getting a brake fluid leak fixed (don't know what it is yet) and needs tires.

Last year there was an e46 5 series wagon for sale near me that had the msport package along with a full m5 swap into it. Seller wanted 16k for it.


That chrome was hideous!
Very interesting, post the results!

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