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#226 2015-01-01 03:39:55

no_trunk
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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

Lost my 2004 WRX 205 a few weeks back and have been throwing rebuild ideas back and forth. After deciding to check out the viability of a 207 swap i found this thread. And it has set my mind on the direction to head. Thank you for this wealth of information.  banana banana

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#227 2015-01-01 19:16:56

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

Yes come to the EJ207 side it is fun here  driving


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#228 2015-01-01 19:31:38

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

no_trunk wrote:

Lost my 2004 WRX 205 a few weeks back and have been throwing rebuild ideas back and forth. After deciding to check out the viability of a 207 swap i found this thread. And it has set my mind on the direction to head. Thank you for this wealth of information.  banana banana

I've got one for sale right now...you could jump right into a V9 207:

http://saab92x.com/viewtopic.php?id=63586


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#229 2015-01-01 19:42:24

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

kornfeld wrote:

no_trunk wrote:

Lost my 2004 WRX 205 a few weeks back and have been throwing rebuild ideas back and forth. After deciding to check out the viability of a 207 swap i found this thread. And it has set my mind on the direction to head. Thank you for this wealth of information.  banana banana

I've got one for sale right now...you could jump right into a V9 207:

http://saab92x.com/viewtopic.php?id=63586

I've read your build thread and would love to own your car. I already have 3 subarus and the wife says no more cars. 2005 RS wagon, 2004 WRX wagon and a 2004 STi. Was always a huge fan of the blob eye subaru, so i decided that i wanted all 3 trims. But the RS was down for a trans in october, started driving the wrx and at 140k cyl 4 went. So i would rather rebuild than replace tongue

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#230 2015-01-01 19:44:46

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

Curses.  Let me know if you change your mind. biggrin


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#231 2015-01-04 13:46:29

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

kornfeld wrote:

I've got one for sale right now...you could jump right into a V9 207:

http://saab92x.com/viewtopic.php?id=63586

What!?   yikes

no_trunk wrote:

Lost my 2004 WRX 205 a few weeks back and have been throwing rebuild ideas back and forth. After deciding to check out the viability of a 207 swap i found this thread. And it has set my mind on the direction to head. Thank you for this wealth of information.  banana banana

no_trunk, I'm stoked you found this thread so beneficial.  And thank you for the good words.  With that said, I urge you to give kornfeld's EJ207 swapped 92x some real thought.  I'm a pretty capable DIY guy -- I haven't taken one of my cars to a mechanic since 2001 -- but if I were faced with another dead EJ205, like you are, I would look for a already EJ207-swapped car before I would repeat the swap, even having done it before.  There are two giant reasons for this: 1) it takes a long time to do this swap correctly, and even if your wife is tolerant with garage time like mine, it still strains things and ultimately takes away from better things that you could be doing with your time; and 2) it's not unheard of for someone to get shipped a bad EJ207, but you won't even know this until you are done with the mechanical portion of the swap.  Even worse, the new engine decides to quit a day after your "first start" warranty period is up.  kornfeld's swap has 9,000 miles of reliability under it and defeats these two major negatives.  If your wife is like mine, explaining things from this perspective will make her a whole lot more comfortable with you picking up a fourth Suby.   up


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#232 2015-01-07 18:17:34

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

The only downfall to this plan, my wife has a 02 RS swapped STi. (So this kills the "Well honey that engine was only $800" roll) And while i can understand the ease of buying a car with a successful running swap, the hearts just not in it for me. I like to stand back at the end of the day and admire what i have created. While this does get me in trouble some times (My RS was bought as auto, swapped manual, on 3rd trans. Read thick headed) most of the times it works out OK.

Even if i bought a 207 swapped car, i would still be left needing a engine in the WRX and would lean towards a 207 to replace it... Had all 3 of these cars for the better part of a decade and dont plan on selling ever. (And not a single one has seen a shop under my ownership)

So as i will heed your words of wisdom. In the end im bull headed and like to learn from my own mistakes, or accomplishments. big_smile

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#233 2015-01-12 22:19:12

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

the stock clutch is probably not the best choice for this swap. i put in an oem exedy with an act street light flywheel hoping to not put as much force on my transmission. i totally underestimated the power of the 207 the stock clutch can not hold it and im not sure how long the 5mt would last with hard driving.

oh and nicolast that 3k second gear come alive feeling is awesome i know exactly what your talking about.

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#234 2015-12-08 00:09:31

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

I'm still loving this swap.  Really not loving my new body mods.

http://i.imgur.com/IOMS6lH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/i2fJYPA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mqcSRLy.jpg

EDIT 03/28/2016: A number of questions have come up A LOT since posting the car for sale and it is this post that is provoking them, so I will put the details here for relevance.  No, the car was not considered a total loss by the insurance company -- the car still has a clean title (i.e. not salvage) in my name.  The quarter panel did not need to be replaced because the rocker panel and door striker were not damaged -- this likely saved the car from total loss.  Instead, a body puller was used to pull the quarter panel back into shape.  A series of small holes were drilled in the quarter panel; dowels with eyelets were fed in through these holes eyelet first; a wire was threaded through the eyelets; then the dowels were pulled on from the outside via a fixtured mount which in turn pulled the body panel back out; the holes were filled and the area was repainted.  Yes, some body filler was used to smooth the sheet metal.  No, the quarter panel is not full of body filler.  The paint and clear coat was blended into the front driver's door and up to the roof line; the rear bumper, rocker panel, and new rear door were repainted.  OEM glass was used and the tint was matched.  The passenger rear door was replaced.

Last edited by Nicholast (2016-03-28 13:22:28)


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2005 92x Aero EJ207 V8 swapped 5MT - #3438
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#235 2015-12-08 00:58:40

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

Shhhhhiiiiiiiiiittttttyyyyyy.  sad Sorry man! What happened?


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#236 2015-12-08 01:07:59

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

I was driving home in heavy traffic in the slow lane.  My lane was creeping along and the middle lane was stopped.  A driver in the middle lane decided the moving lane was more appealing and changed lanes from a stop just as I was rolling past.  In the game of 92x versus Expedition, Expedition wins.  Seriously; she got a mildly dented bumper... and a ticket for no insurance.


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2001 allroad 2.7T ultra-rare 6MT Stage 1
2005 92x Aero EJ207 V8 swapped 5MT - #3438
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#237 2015-12-08 01:11:36

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

down Any suspension damage?


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#238 2015-12-08 01:43:09

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

kornfeld wrote:

down Any suspension damage?

No, not that I can tell.  The large SUV took a pot shot right to the 92x's tender bits, but missed anything of structure; only the body was affected.  Unfortunately, quarter panels are tough to repair.  If it were just the door, I would not be concerned.


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2001 allroad 2.7T ultra-rare 6MT Stage 1
2005 92x Aero EJ207 V8 swapped 5MT - #3438
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#239 2015-12-08 07:24:13

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

quarter panel can be replaced from Subaru.  Looks like bumper might be ok, depends on tabs underneath.  Door is also easy to replace.  Be sure to argue the upgrades to the car and if you have shop receipts for the work, show them to increase the book value of the car.


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#240 2015-12-08 09:10:00

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

arrow-up What he said.  The door is no biggie, I just replaced mine from a member on here for $100.  Be prepared for your insurance company to try and bend you over.  Do not accept their first offer unless it 100% meets your expectations.  I had progressive covering my motorcycle.  They wanted to give me 800 for it.  I refused, told them about the work I did to rehab the bike, argued with a couple people and magically they offered me triple that.

If they hassle you too much, you can always tell them you will file a complaint with the Department of Insurance ( I think CO calls it the Division of Insurance).  If an auto insurer gets too many valid complaints, they are no longer allowed to sell insurance in that state.  This will get their attention, and they wont jerk you around.

I hope it all works out for you and I'm glad you're alright. 

This was a great build, I hate to see the car mauled like that.


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#241 2015-12-08 12:18:31

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

itsnotmeitsyou wrote:

quarter panel can be replaced from Subaru.  Looks like bumper might be ok, depends on tabs underneath.  Door is also easy to replace.  Be sure to argue the upgrades to the car and if you have shop receipts for the work, show them to increase the book value of the car.

I did not know that you could get quarter panels new from Subaru.  When I worked at the salvage yard, it was extremely common to cut quarters off cars for body shops, so I always assumed that piece had to be sourced used.

I am digging through the remaining receipts now.  I think I tossed everything but the engine receipt once I was out of warranty.  Bad move.

Pyromancy5 wrote:

arrow-up What he said.  The door is no biggie, I just replaced mine from a member on here for $100.  Be prepared for your insurance company to try and bend you over.  Do not accept their first offer unless it 100% meets your expectations.  I had progressive covering my motorcycle.  They wanted to give me 800 for it.  I refused, told them about the work I did to rehab the bike, argued with a couple people and magically they offered me triple that.

If they hassle you too much, you can always tell them you will file a complaint with the Department of Insurance ( I think CO calls it the Division of Insurance).  If an auto insurer gets too many valid complaints, they are no longer allowed to sell insurance in that state.  This will get their attention, and they wont jerk you around.

I hope it all works out for you and I'm glad you're alright. 

This was a great build, I hate to see the car mauled like that.

Also good to know.  I did not know I could negotiate the payout if they declare it a total loss.

I am off to the body shop now for their evaluation at the insurance's instruction.  Does anyone have any experiences with USAA; good or bad?  I've had my car insurance with them for 14 years, but have never filed a claim; this is my first traffic accident, ever.


2000 A4 1.8T 5MT Stage 2
2001 allroad 2.7T ultra-rare 6MT Stage 1
2005 92x Aero EJ207 V8 swapped 5MT - #3438
2005 Outback XT 5AT Stock

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#242 2015-12-08 20:53:38

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

Filed several claims with USAA, pretty easy to work with.


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#243 2015-12-09 08:51:49

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

I have USAA, my motorcycle coverage was subbed out by them to progressive.  USAA has always been good to me.


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#244 2017-01-17 23:55:33

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Re: Nicholast's EJ207 Swap Thread

I want to share some input.  Nicholast was kind enough to respond to my cries for help via NASIOC regarding code P0350 IGNITION COIL PRIMARY/ SECONDARY CIRCUIT MALFUNCTION.

I had swapped 4 coils only to realize it wasn't the problem.  Just when I felt lost and defeated, I checked the wiring leading up to the coil packs and discovered that my EJ207 had a loose terminal leading to one of the coil packs!  It was the wire in the middle of the 3 wires leading to the connector.  I unlocked the connector and popped the terminal back inside.  Turned on the car, voila!  Smooth as butter!

Anyone getting this code should check the coil pack connectors to make sure it hasn't backed out AND ALL wires leading to the connectors!

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