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#1 2016-06-08 12:21:59

ikbrown
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Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Hey all,

So when I had my brakes replaced recently the guys at the shop noticed that my lateral links are bent Ė which is odd that no oneís brought it to my attention before, and that it hasnít affected the carís ability to get an alignment within specs. I didnít know they werenít supposed to be bent so never thought anything of them when working on things back there but it looks pretty bad. Iím assuming itís been this way since I bought it since itís a salvage title, possibly curbed on the driver side? IDK what itís from but I havenít done anything with enough force to bend the links this badly.

Long story short, I will be replacing all 4 lateral links Ė the passenger side ones are close to straight but still have a slight bend so I figure itís best while Iím working back there to replace all 4 w/ straight ones. Have a couple questions for yíall:

1.    Any experience / recommendations on replacement lateral links? I found links made by Mevotech on RockAuto Ė could get all four for around $170. If those would do, Iíd rather go that route vs. junkyard used ones since the bushings on replacement ones will be brand new.

2.    While Iím there and have the endlinks removed I wanted to remove the obnoxious sway bar squeak I have with my Perrin 25mm sway. The original owner of the car installed the sway bar so I donít know how old it is Ė would it be worth replacing the Sway bar mount bushings (it has the upgraded Perrin Stout Mount and bushings), or will re-greasing it suffice? I havenít touched it in the 4 years since owning it so itís definitely due for some lubrication. Iíve also read that adding Teflon tape to the sway bar helps.

3.    Any tricks/recommendations to keep the sway bar from walking? It looks like the sway bar has moved a bit towards the driver side, possibly due to the bent lateral link, or just from use. Both endlinks are angled like this \\, the driver one worse than the passenger.

4.    Iíll be buying some Energy Suspension Formula 5 lube for the bushings, should I also apply some to the Perrin endlinks upon reinstall? Iíve read about people complaining about these endlinks clunking but I think mine are fine (I have a clunk in the rear but it clunks separate from the sway bar squeak which leads me to believe itís my struts).

Hereís a pic of the driver side bent lateral links, and the sway bar connections.
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q508/ikbrown89/E09DEE22-03F1-4DF5-B38D-863728290037_zpsut3tydwi.jpg

Last edited by ikbrown (2016-09-26 13:13:14)


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#2 2016-06-08 13:24:35

ikbrown
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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Soooooo looks like I can get all the Group-N lateral link bushings  for $120 and Whiteline polyurethane bushings for $90 - is this a bushing worth going to polyurethane for? Or just another future squeak? The group-n bushings would need to be pressed in by a shop, whitelines are 2 part bushings so install would be much easier.

Thoughts?


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#3 2016-06-08 13:56:01

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Go with group n.

Poly squeaks like a mofo.

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#4 2016-06-08 14:08:49

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

I found regreasing my swaybar bushings with white lithium grease and torquing everything to factory specs while the suspension is under load greatly reduced any noise from my rear swaybars.

As far as your swaybars walking, I know white line makes some swaybar lock collars that should prevent that. You might also want to look into new sway bar mounts.

Good luck with everything! I was about to ask if you guys wanted to do another canyon run soon, but guess we'll have to wait a bit.


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#5 2016-06-08 14:09:12

ikbrown
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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

deliverator wrote:

Go with group n.

Poly squeaks like a mofo.

Yea that's what I was fearing for a moving bearing like that - esp. one that would be such a pain in the ass to regrease/service in the future.

I just called the shop I have most of my work done at and to press in the group-n bushings they'd charge $35/each. $280 total just to press in bushings seems a little steep for my liking. Might just go with the Mevotech ones

Last edited by ikbrown (2016-06-08 14:11:39)


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#6 2016-06-08 14:18:46

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

sohlman wrote:

I found regreasing my swaybar bushings with white lithium grease and torquing everything to factory specs while the suspension is under load greatly reduced any noise from my rear swaybars.

As far as your swaybars walking, I know white line makes some swaybar lock collars that should prevent that. You might also want to look into new sway bar mounts.

Good luck with everything! I was about to ask if you guys wanted to do another canyon run soon, but guess we'll have to wait a bit.

Planning on taking care of this in the next month so we won't have to wait too long for another run!

Will definitely be giving the bushings a heavy dose of grease and torquing to specs while under load upon reinstall.

I'll look into the swaybar lock collars - almost looks like something I could make myself? ha. Some rubber and a hose clamp? curious...


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#7 2016-07-06 17:27:49

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

1. Just buy some used ones from any 02-07 Impreza wagon or 93-01 Impreza (if you do the 93-01 impreza make sure its the AWD model with a rear sway bar, since some didnt have those options).

2. Regreasing it should be fine.

3. It won't under normal circumstances. It was kinked sideways on your car because your lateral link was bent.

4. Lube anything that moves. You dont need to buy special lube, just get a small can/tube of lithium grease.


You should be able to find a set of 4 links for $60 or less if you look on Subaru forums. I just sold a set for $20 because I just wanted them gone...

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#8 2016-07-06 18:00:55

ikbrown
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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

arrow-up I haven't bought anything yet but I was planning on going with the new OEM replacement ones from Mevotech. My concern with going with used stockers would be how worn out the rubber will be by now. And having new bushings pressed in is just as expensive as new links.


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#9 2016-07-07 13:15:47

ikbrown
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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Question for y'all...

A set of MSI lateral links came up for sale locally on i-club for bout the same price as new OEM replacements from Mevotech. The owner of the links isn't 100% on the fitment of the links since he never got around to installing them but he bought them for a 99 Forester.

A) Does anyone know the length of wagon lateral links? I've only found 1 post online stating that they're 400mm, sedan ones are 410mm.
B) 99 Forester links would fit 02-07 wagon links assuming he bought the right ones yea?
C) If the interwebz fails me I'll try and measure mine tonight on the side that's not bent to shit.


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#10 2016-07-07 13:40:07

ikbrown
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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Searched a little more - looks like 400mm or 15.75 inches is the confirmed length. We'll see if his are this length.

wagon front lateral link set to 15.75 (400mm)
wagon rear lateral link start at 15.75 (400mm) starting point

sedan front lateral link set to 16.14 (410mm)
sedan rear lateral link start at 16.14 (410mm) starting point


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#11 2016-07-07 16:24:05

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

elislider wrote:

1. Just buy some used ones from any 02-07 Impreza wagon or 93-01 Impreza (if you do the 93-01 impreza make sure its the AWD model with a rear sway bar, since some didnt have those options).

2. Regreasing it should be fine.

3. It won't under normal circumstances. It was kinked sideways on your car because your lateral link was bent.

4. Lube anything that moves. You dont need to buy special lube, just get a small can/tube of lithium grease.


You should be able to find a set of 4 links for $60 or less if you look on Subaru forums. I just sold a set for $20 because I just wanted them gone...

I prefer to use Energy Suspension grease for all suspension bushings.  Long lasting and quite slippery. If you decide to buy off the interwebs, get gloves to install, it takes work to remove from your hands. Ask me how I know.

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#12 2016-07-07 16:30:33

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

arrow-up Noted. Thanks for the tip.  embeer


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#13 2016-07-19 13:57:19

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

yes all 02-07 Impreza wagon have the same track width as 93-01 Impreza, 98-07 Forester, and 90-99 Legacy
the 02+ sedans are wider track

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#14 2016-07-19 14:28:02

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Affirmative. The ones that guy had for sale turned out to be sedan length. whomp whomp


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#15 2016-09-26 13:11:03

ikbrown
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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Sooooooo running into some new issues with the lateral link/endlink/sway bar combo now that I've replaced the lateral links.

I ended up purchasing some Eibach/SPC adjustable lateral links and got those installed no problem but I'm having a clearance issue on the passenger side. The mounts on the Eibach lateral links for the endlinks are adjustable aluminum blocks that are held on to the lateral link via some pinch bolts, problem is they're BEEFY. As you can see in the picture the clearance is wayyy too tight (about 3/8 inch) between the sway bar and the endlink mount. I threw some craft paint on the mount and confirmed when I got into work today that the paint had worn off where the sway bar was hitting the endlink mount. Not good as if this continues it will bend the lateral link, which is why I replaced them in the first place.  banghead I know that the mount should be straight down on the lateral link vs angled like that but that created the most clearance (there was less when it was straight) and I couldn't bend it straight without putting load on the sway bar. The sway bar is as far back as I can make it with the small bit of adjustability on the Perrin stout mount.

Suggestions on remedying this? Longer endlinks? Toss these damn lateral links and use others with welded on mounts that aren't gigantic? Forever run no sway bar and live a life filled with sad, hopeless understeer? ha. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Passenger side with the issue:
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q508/ikbrown89/0E6E1138-7F6A-47D8-919C-6CED2BE74051_zpsnzrojck7.jpg

Driver side - no issues:
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q508/ikbrown89/EB262561-C080-4988-A26D-C967B8A7CCBC_zps2ckuufo7.jpg

Last edited by ikbrown (2016-09-26 13:12:44)


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#16 2016-09-26 17:50:02

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Sucks. This is obvious but does having the sway bar on a softer setting help with clearance?

Last edited by sohlman (2016-09-26 17:55:20)


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#17 2016-09-26 18:01:30

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Yea, I tried putting it on the different settings and that one provided the most clearance. Before I throw in the towel and have a shop take care of it I'm going to remove the driver-side link, remove the passenger side from the sway bar, loosen the endlink mount, put it straight down like the driver-side is, and see if I can make it fit that way since that's how it should be and how the stock ones are. Then test drive w/ more craft paint applied to detect rubbing and see what happens.


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#18 2016-09-27 17:16:48

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Allrighty... tried fixing the passenger side last night and while I was able to get the endlink mount attached straight down and attach the endlink to the sway bar, there was still a very tight gap which would've rubbed, AND I couldn't get the driver side lined up. I'll be taking it to a subaru shop on Friday for them to take a look at it and figure out a solution.

In the meantime, sway bar is removed.  neutral


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#19 2016-09-27 18:54:13

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

driving understeer  banana


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#20 2016-09-27 21:43:04

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Different RSB?  I don't recall mine being asymmetrical like that.  It wasn't as big either, but there must be a combination that works.  I had the FHI 20mm RSB on my Linear and it was a big improvement from stock, although stock on the Linear is more a piece of coat hanger (14mm).


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#21 2016-09-27 22:43:14

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

Yea, the bend in it is weird. Looks like maybe that bend makes sense to avoid the fuel tank filler neck? Although with the Perrin stout mount bringing the sway bar mounting spot further down, closer to horizontal that's not really an issue. I'm taking it to a Subaru shop on Friday so we'll see what they recommend to make it work. Not opposed to replacing the sway, endlinks or whatever to make it work. I need my sway back!


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#22 2016-09-29 13:47:24

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

related: if you are lifting the car up to work on the rear sway bar stuff, lift from the center. if you lift from either side, the bar will obviously torque and make it impossible to work on.

i dont know why you're making it harder on yourself with those aftermarket links. there is nothing wrong with the OEM ones and unless you are building a track race car or something with insane suspension changes (super slammed/camber or extra lifted/offroad) there is no need for aftermarket links.
but obviously the issue here is the endlink mount on the link needs to be pointing pretty much downwards like on the drivers side photo you showed
you may just have an issue because of that specific sway bar with those specific links.

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#23 2016-09-29 14:06:30

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

elislider wrote:

related: if you are lifting the car up to work on the rear sway bar stuff, lift from the center. if you lift from either side, the bar will obviously torque and make it impossible to work on.

i dont know why you're making it harder on yourself with those aftermarket links. there is nothing wrong with the OEM ones and unless you are building a track race car or something with insane suspension changes (super slammed/camber or extra lifted/offroad) there is no need for aftermarket links.
but obviously the issue here is the endlink mount on the link needs to be pointing pretty much downwards like on the drivers side photo you showed
you may just have an issue because of that specific sway bar with those specific links.

Making it harder with the aftermarket lateral links you mean? Little did I know it would actually be making it harder - reading positive reviews on the links and finding them for cheaper than the stock ones I figured why not go with them for the bonus of being able to adjust things.

I'm taking it to a shop tomorrow that specializes in subies so I'm sure they'll be able to figure out something to make the setup work.


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#24 2016-09-29 23:07:30

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

ikbrown wrote:

elislider wrote:

related: if you are lifting the car up to work on the rear sway bar stuff, lift from the center. if you lift from either side, the bar will obviously torque and make it impossible to work on.

i dont know why you're making it harder on yourself with those aftermarket links. there is nothing wrong with the OEM ones and unless you are building a track race car or something with insane suspension changes (super slammed/camber or extra lifted/offroad) there is no need for aftermarket links.
but obviously the issue here is the endlink mount on the link needs to be pointing pretty much downwards like on the drivers side photo you showed
you may just have an issue because of that specific sway bar with those specific links.

Making it harder with the aftermarket lateral links you mean? Little did I know it would actually be making it harder - reading positive reviews on the links and finding them for cheaper than the stock ones I figured why not go with them for the bonus of being able to adjust things.

I'm taking it to a shop tomorrow that specializes in subies so I'm sure they'll be able to figure out something to make the setup work.

Are you going to FW?


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#25 2016-09-30 00:14:13

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Re: Bent Lateral Links - Replaced - NEW ISSUES

No, taking it to M45 since I know someone that works there and I wanted to try that shop when a subie-specific task came up.


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