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#1 2016-11-17 01:38:13

endneu913
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Thoughts on springs?

So... my 2005 Aero decided to snap the drivers front left spring today whilst doing 80 on the freeway  banana

That said, I will need to replace the front two springs ( if not all 4- based on prevailing wisdom and the unit of retail available)

The P.O. had Tokico D specs and these springs installed  (which are of an unidentified manufacture...they are blue and possibly 5-8 years old which is all I know) 

Given this information... im looking for opinions on next steps of:

-Replace all 4?
-Recommended brand/ spring rate etc? (based on the Tokicos of this age)

Surely I am missing another factor to be analyzed and welcome any feedback.

Thanks!


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#2 2016-11-17 06:51:55

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

If you have the $ then I say replace springs and struts at the same time.  I'd recommend going with stock unless you love to autocross on the weekends.


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#3 2016-11-17 15:26:42

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

How old are the Tokicos? Still OK? Blue is typically Cobb or Cusco IIRC.

I definitely would replace all 4 springs and not just 2. Tokicos are slightly stiffer than stock, but also adjustable, so I would think that most any reputable aftermarket spring would pair well with those struts.


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#4 2016-11-17 18:41:57

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

definitely replace all 4 springs.
try to sell your other 3 to some unsuspecting dope on ebay for a few bucks just to get them out of here.
while you have your struts off and apart, check them for being blown (no rebound) or extremely slow rebound, and replace those that need it with an identical part (or do them in pairs L&R, or all 4)
Amazon has pretty good prices on the KYB GR2 aka "excel g", or even Monroe if you can find a good price

i don't think tokico makes springs. their struts did come in blue though
Blue springs are either Cobb or Prodrive
Orange could be STi genome or Tanabe
Red could be prodrive or H&R
black could be stock (if colored dots), or Eibach or probably others
yellow is RCE (racecomp)
White could be ebay "dna" or other crap.

Last edited by elislider (2016-11-17 18:43:47)

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#5 2016-11-17 23:30:51

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

Replace all springs, struts and top hats, considering their age and the cost of having strut work done, it is not worth it to keep old parts. Get KYB Exel G struts and KYB top hats, a take off set of 04-07 STi springs can be had $70-$120
I may have two low mile take off 05 STi front springs, let me know if you are intersted in them.

Last edited by Rodman (2016-11-17 23:33:29)


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#6 2016-11-18 00:12:01

endneu913
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Re: Thoughts on springs?

Thanks all.

The Tokicos have fairly slow rebound... definitely at least 6 years old... but the car drove great. Until... LOL
Based on the fact that the work is easy and quick i would be inclined to throw new springs on all 4 corners and call it a day.

Got the spring off this evening and cleaned up to find a logo... The springs are Espelir... seems to have gone out of business. Wonder why!

My local subie shop recommended H&R Sport springs for my needs. Thoughts? looking at the " OE Sport Spring" ... maybe i'm getting old.. but bringing the wagon a bit higher does not sound like a crazy idea.

Rodman- you got me tempted for a quick fix.

Last edited by endneu913 (2016-11-18 00:17:01)


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#7 2016-11-21 16:08:29

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

ah yeah Espelir, forgot about them
H&Rs are good, can't go wrong there

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#8 2016-11-24 21:59:42

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

http://www.subarugenuineparts.com/spt-p … arent=1595
Black Friday sale.
Wagon specific usdm pink, my favorite, same spring rate as oem STi, excellent ride and very durable. I'm an old guy, I'll be 52 Sunday, I like a sport ride that won't damage my old bones.

Last edited by Rodman (2016-11-24 22:13:29)


2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
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#9 2016-11-29 01:52:26

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

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#10 2016-11-29 10:23:09

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

Yes, used parts are typically cheaper than new ones. How's the figging?

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#11 2016-11-30 15:41:01

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

its a solid piece of metal, no reason to buy new if the used one is identical and you can't see it anyways.
once again, you contribute literally nothing to this site

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#12 2016-11-30 16:14:38

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

elislider wrote:

its a solid piece of metal, no reason to buy new if the used one is identical and you can't see it anyways.
once again, you contribute literally nothing to this site

Immature and offensive comment it's hard not to have fun shitting on elislider  biggrin

Last edited by sohlman (2016-11-30 18:07:42)


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#13 2016-11-30 16:16:27

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

now now children, lets all just get along  92x heart


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#14 2016-11-30 16:18:42

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

and while you're at it GET OFF MY LAWN!!!    big_smile


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#15 2016-11-30 16:50:10

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

elislider wrote:

its a solid piece of metal, no reason to buy new if the used one is identical and you can't see it anyways.
once again, you contribute literally nothing to this site

Springs fatigue, they have a limited useful life time. I can see buying used if you know how much use they have and one can estimate how much longer the part can be used in realistic terms.


2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
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#16 2016-12-01 14:13:15

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

Rodman wrote:

elislider wrote:

its a solid piece of metal, no reason to buy new if the used one is identical and you can't see it anyways.
once again, you contribute literally nothing to this site

Springs fatigue, they have a limited useful life time. I can see buying used if you know how much use they have and one can estimate how much longer the part can be used in realistic terms.

up

Nice to know that your springs last forever, Figmaster 2000.

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#17 2016-12-02 14:10:53

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

Rodman wrote:

elislider wrote:

its a solid piece of metal, no reason to buy new if the used one is identical and you can't see it anyways.
once again, you contribute literally nothing to this site

Springs fatigue, they have a limited useful life time. I can see buying used if you know how much use they have and one can estimate how much longer the part can be used in realistic terms.

I have literally never seen a spring on a Subaru break. besides those ones I linked to look almost new.

anyone defending iamchris is literal cancer to this site

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#18 2016-12-02 14:22:52

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

elislider wrote:

I have literally never seen a spring on a Subaru break. besides those ones I linked to look almost new.

Now THAT's the kind of engineering judgment that I look for when selecting parts....


elislider wrote:

anyone defending iamchris is literal cancer to this site

My preferred chemo treatment is a Makers Mark manhattan.


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#19 2016-12-02 14:40:43

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

racerjim wrote:

elislider wrote:

I have literally never seen a spring on a Subaru break. besides those ones I linked to look almost new.

Now THAT's the kind of engineering judgment that I look for when selecting parts....

well considering i probably know more about Subarus than anyone on this site.
been working on them for 10 years and owned over 50 including 2 Saab 92x's
just saying... i add way more to this site than all you guys who only ever post troll comments

edit: speaking of "engineering judgement" that's literally what you're getting because I have an engineering degree
just saying...

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#20 2016-12-02 14:45:23

ikbrown
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Re: Thoughts on springs?

spider


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#21 2016-12-02 15:56:02

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

elislider wrote:

racerjim wrote:

elislider wrote:

I have literally never seen a spring on a Subaru break. besides those ones I linked to look almost new.

Now THAT's the kind of engineering judgment that I look for when selecting parts....

well considering i probably know more about Subarus than anyone on this site.
been working on them for 10 years and owned over 50 including 2 Saab 92x's
just saying... i add way more to this site than all you guys who only ever post troll comments

edit: speaking of "engineering judgement" that's literally what you're getting because I have an engineering degree
just saying...

lol Yeah, not like anybody else on this site. Especially that IDIOT Jim who only has a PhD in material science and worked for GM for many years. Dude has no idea what he's talking about.  star

(It is materials, no? I may be misremembering...I had a couple of beers that day)

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#22 2016-12-02 22:06:16

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

elislider wrote:

Rodman wrote:

elislider wrote:

its a solid piece of metal, no reason to buy new if the used one is identical and you can't see it anyways.
once again, you contribute literally nothing to this site

Springs fatigue, they have a limited useful life time. I can see buying used if you know how much use they have and one can estimate how much longer the part can be used in realistic terms.

I have literally never seen a spring on a Subaru break.

Interesting comment on a thread where OP's first sentence is, "So... my 2005 Aero decided to snap the drivers front left spring today whilst doing 80 on the freeway".


06' Silver Aero 5MT - Cobb Turboback, Stage II  93 octane tune, ST coilovers (KW Variant1s), Cobb short shifter, 22mm front and 24mm rear whiteline sways and endlinks, engine rebuild (Manley forged rods and pistons)
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#23 2016-12-02 23:29:45

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

Again, I've never seen it and I've seen a lot of Subarus. Doesn't mean it hasnt happened.
I would say its a fluke if it does happen, since its not a known issue with any Subaru I've ever heard of.

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#24 2016-12-03 00:39:01

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

Used, probably sedan springs, unknown history = $200 < brand new wagon specific = $260

I win


2005 satin gray metalic aero, sold.
2005 black aero, rescue project, jdm STi ver 7 drivetrain.
2008 Subaru Outback 2.5i 5 speed manual daily driver.
2006 WRX, smoked, should've never betrayed 2.0L love.

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#25 2016-12-03 19:40:21

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Re: Thoughts on springs?

dotmaster206 wrote:

Yeah, not like anybody else on this site. Especially that IDIOT Jim who only has a PhD in material science and worked for GM for many years. Dude has no idea what he's talking about.  star

(It is materials, no? I may be misremembering...I had a couple of beers that day)

Yeah, and a masters in aero engineering doesn't qualify you to comment either.....

Yes, materials.  Actually, metallurgy.  Actually actually, ferrous metallurgy.


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