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#51 2016-11-30 12:36:26

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

Bunnspeed wrote:

Hell, if you shop carefully you can get a cheap mid-sized luxury cruiser with the sleeper 3800 V6 with the supercharger, best known for powering the Grand Prix GTP but which also snuck into a number of other cars. Regal GS, some LeSabres and a few others. It's nice to have a little power in your boring daily...and that's another virtue of domestic luxury. Most have smooth, torquey V6 and V8 motors.

Even without the supercharger, the 3800 V6 is a quick engine, and one of the most reliable you can find.  The H-bodies (LeSabre, Park Avenue, Bonneville) with either motor are fantastic cruisers and super comfortable.  Their Achilles heel is their electronics, and durability of the interiors.  The W-bodies (Lumina, Impala, Grand Prix, Regal, Intrigue) are more robust, some can be found with the 3800, the Intrigue had a DOHC V6 that was much smoother than the 3800, but not as torquey on the low end.  You can also find Impalas with the 5.3L V8 shoehorned in, but I don't think those have dropped to the $5K range yet.  The W cars don't have the electronic gremlins that the H-cars have, and the interiors, though not as attractive, are much more durable.


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#52 2016-12-08 09:07:51

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

Finally got the saabaru back the other day. Car looks great and feels great  big_smile I'm still planning on selling though.  So, I'm now seriously looking for a car. 

Top contenders: Honda Fit, Nissan Altima, Ford Fiesta, Toyota Highlander (is it even possible to get good mpg with this?), and something from the w-body series since both Bunnspeed and Reacerjim wrote fairly comprehensive and impassioned posts about the benefits of these comfortable (possible sleeper) cars

If you have more reasons as to why I should consider your recommendation, please feel free to tell me. Remember you're all competing for a potato or package of meat mailed to you with a picture of my foot.  Posts will be judged seriously because this is serious.


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#53 2016-12-08 09:46:35

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

Personally, I would drop the Altima if you are considering an automatic. The CVT on your price range Altima is very problematic. We have an 07 and the trans had to be replaced under extended warranty. I have also heard newer Fiestas with the auto are problematic.

Honda Fit is probably the best choice on your list.

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#54 2016-12-08 10:02:48

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

Corolla  big_smile


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#55 2016-12-09 11:14:09

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

whalecliff wrote:

Toyota Highlander (is it even possible to get good mpg with this?)

No.  But you could get good mpg with the same engine in a smaller car... say an Avalon.
I would also drop the Altima.


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#56 2017-04-13 15:06:49

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

ALRIGHT. ITíS TIME TO ANNOUNCE THE WINNERS!!

Ikbrown gets a potato for first, hesitantly, suggesting a Honda Fit

Hyperboarder gets a potato or bacon (your choice for assuredly, and with much personal testimony, championing the Honda Fit and picture of my foot.

Sohlman gets a potato for violently defending me from the onslaught of Prius suggestions

Hammy T gets a potato for being reasonable

If anyone else wants a potato, PM me your address; I donít guarantee anything. If youíre a winner PM your address if you want your potato or bacon.

The sad news is that Honda Fits do in fact hold a ridiculously inflated price here in ATL unless they are an absolute POS.  banghead Admittedly, Iíve been trying to stay away from the 2007 and 2008 years because of the quality control issues theyíre known to have. So, here I sit blue-balled and frustrated without a car. Iíve looked at lots of things here and found nothing yet because theyíre either mechanically unsound, outside my budget, or just total garbage.  banghead

That being said, Iíve moved away from the gas mileage thing just to open things up a little more in terms of option (Iím desperate). So, basically it needs to be reliable and a wagon, hatchback, or cool van (perhaps an oxymoron). 

Here are the highlights of what Iím looking at right now:

2007 Subaru Forester 2.5x https://chattanooga.craigslist.org/cto/6081220333.html
Looks decentish. I am a little familiar with these, but Iíd appreciate input from those who know more about these specifically. It fits my needs though, and I wonít hate driving it. Heck, I might even rally it at some point.

1999 Subaru Legacy GT Wagon https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/6060479348.html
I drove this yesterday. ABS is gone (which ad notes) and despite a ďrecentĒ brake job, Iíd want to get more aggressive pads or upgrade the brakes because theyíre a little scary. It drives nice and pulls pretty decent all things considered. Interior really is immaculate. Is this a fair price though? Iím also not familiar with these.

2005 Subaru Outback https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/6079048904.html
Lot of miles on that body. But, it's inside my budget. Possibly priced a little high? Thoughts?

Any vehicle I want to buy will go in for a pre-purchase inspection. Iíve got a good Subie shop here in ATL and a reputable regular shop for anything not Subaru.  I got burned bad with my last ride, so I want to be careful.

Budget is $5.5K

Please. Help me. I just want to not be driving this oil-leaking 2000 Honda Accord.   sad

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#57 2017-04-13 15:21:17

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

whalecliff wrote:

Hammy T gets a potato for being reasonable

Wow, now I don't hear that every day on here.

I do have to respectfully decline your potato offering, however.

People who mail others cat shit, shouldn't give out their address.  cool


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#58 2017-04-13 15:40:33

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

hammyt wrote:

whalecliff wrote:

Hammy T gets a potato for being reasonable

Wow, now I don't hear that every day on here.

I do have to respectfully decline your potato offering, however.

People who mail others cat shit, shouldn't give out their address.  cool

Lol, fair enough.  lol


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#59 2017-04-13 16:50:00

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

I didn't read through the entirety of the thread so don't know if you object to electric (I did see some Prius hatred, but that's understandable): used Nissan Leafs are approaching your price point, and were surprisingly not awful when I test drove one recently (in a vacuum, I'm still not a fan, but considering the economics- might be just the ticket). They use air cooled batteries so have been known to have drastic range reductions in Arizona- you'd need to see if the same is the case in the mugginess of Georgia. Generally less to go wrong with an electric motor vs ICE, as well- though battery replacements and such are similarly pricey.


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#60 2017-04-13 16:56:44

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

Other options
I searched for under $6500 figuring you can negotiate to your budget


Scion xB (a ton of 'em, and many well under your budget)
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/search/c … scion%20xb

Chevy Cruze:
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/6074998237.html


Might be 3800 engine, can't recall:
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/6072964266.html


Cooler than an Aero:
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/6087131256.html

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#61 2017-04-13 17:15:26

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

What QC issues do you speak of on the 07 and 08 models?

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#62 2017-04-14 07:55:24

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n_r_child  No worries, but Iím staying away from electric cars as I frequently am on road trips through areas that donít have charging stations along the way. If this were just a commuter car (and not my only car), Iíd consider the leaf as a commuting option as there are tons of charging stations near my house and work.

Iíll look into those Scions for sure. Theyíre not as bad looking as I remember. I am looking for hatchbacks or wagons since I need the space. That being said, that Packard probably has all the space I could ever want. I may check that out, but Iím not sure that I want to deal with the hassle of putting the car back together. Iím a little hesitant to take over someone elseís project on a car that I know nothing about much less the fact that I have done zero work on something that isnít fuel injected. I like being able to just use 10mm wrenches  wink

hyperboarder  I was confused when I first heard about QC issues, but I dug into it on carcomplaints (http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/Fit/2007/) and listened to a review by RCR that talks about the QC issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2uFkQqMug

Essentially, QC did a poor job and there were lots of cars that made it through with defects (typically nothing mechanical). So, apparently itís not uncommon to have leaky headliners, trunks, or door because they arenít sealed properly. Also, Iíve read lots of reports about having issues with the paint where it suddenly strips off one day in the car wash.  Thatís why I went after the 2009 and up model series; the QC issues had been addressed. Love the idea of Honda Fit though! I just canít find anything near the price that you found.

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#63 2017-04-14 09:16:42

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

whalecliff wrote:

hyperboarder  I was confused when I first heard about QC issues, but I dug into it on carcomplaints and listened to a review by RCR that talks about the QC issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2uFkQqMug

Essentially, QC did a poor job and there were lots of cars that made it through with defects (typically nothing mechanical). So, apparently itís not uncommon to have leaky headliners, trunks, or door because they arenít sealed properly. Also, Iíve read lots of reports about having issues with the paint where it suddenly strips off one day in the car wash.  Thatís why I went after the 2009 and up model series; the QC issues had been addressed. Love the idea of Honda Fit though! I just canít find anything near the price that you found.

Interesting, news to me but I can agree with a few of those.  The paint is not particularly well adhered, I have a few chunks (mostly front lip) that have freed themselves.  I think my passenger door leaks just a tad too.  I had assumed these were because it's kind of a ratty car and was in an accident in a previous life, but they line up with the qc complaints.

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#64 2017-04-14 11:19:51

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without commenting too specifically on any of those cars, I'd say you need to place a greater emphasis on keeping reliability and potential repair issues and inconveniences to a minimum, and really seek out comfort and reliability over fuel economy. You can buy a lot of fuel for the same cost as a $1,000 repair. A comfortable car that gets 20mpg reliably (V6 Highlander, for example) could end up being cheaper per mile and a whole lot nicer to drive than something with issues that gets 30mpg and also sucks to drive the whole time. An old, high mileage Subaru is neither going to be particularly cheap nor reliable to operate as a commuter, nor is it going to be good on gas. I'd love to see you get into a cheap lowish miles older domestic, which can often be had for much less money for more car than just about any other option. If you are going to pay a higher resale value, I'd love to do something with a bulletproof, powerful, and silky smooth Toyota or Honda V6. You might pay a little more up front, but I'd trust those cars to be reasonably pleasant to drive while also lasting forever with minimal rust or unexpected repair hassles, unlike a NA subaru of the same vintage. A Fit might be fun if you can find a nicely equipped one, but it'll be a bit of a penalty box on wheels. Haven't had the chance to drive one, but I'm assuming it's super loud and flimsy considering my wife's bigger and heavier 4 cylinder Accord (MY2010 I think) is a tin can and endlessly noisy. Living with this car has made me really dislike what I know about the Honda experience.

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#65 2017-04-14 11:30:05

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#66 2017-04-14 11:41:55

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

2015 with 97000 miles... wtf lol


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#67 2017-04-14 13:15:24

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Bunnspeed Youíre right. Subies just hold a special place in my heart, so itís hard not to get taken in.  Sedans just arenít what Iím looking for otherwise a v6 accord or upper trim accord would be quite nice and reliable. Iíve owned a loaded one before, and it was a delight.  Iíll keep in mind the maintenance costs when valuing gas mileage. Thanks for the wise words and solid reminder.

Pyromancy I actually just looked at that Mazda 3. The dealer wonít provide any records, and I know the rear struts, despite driving fine, are rusty. The rubber sleeves (itís not the CV joint, but the rubber covering on the strut) have split open entirely due to rust.  Iíd consider the car if I could get it cheap enough that I could afford the cost of repairing that, but they wonít budge on price.

Iíll check out that Ford Focus. 97K for a 2015 has me a little scared though. I need to look up what they say about the transmissions on these again. I remember some Focuses have had issues with that in the past.

Any opinions on this 2006 Hyundai Elantra GT? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ctd/6085927653.html

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#68 2017-04-14 14:04:37

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

whalecliff wrote:

Any opinions on this 2006 Hyundai Elantra GT? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ctd/6085927653.html

Old Hyundai's scare me


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#69 2017-04-15 21:51:43

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

whalecliff wrote:

Bunnspeed Youíre right. Subies just hold a special place in my heart, so itís hard not to get taken in.  Sedans just arenít what Iím looking for otherwise a v6 accord or upper trim accord would be quite nice and reliable. Iíve owned a loaded one before, and it was a delight.  Iíll keep in mind the maintenance costs when valuing gas mileage. Thanks for the wise words and solid reminder.

Pyromancy I actually just looked at that Mazda 3. The dealer wonít provide any records, and I know the rear struts, despite driving fine, are rusty. The rubber sleeves (itís not the CV joint, but the rubber covering on the strut) have split open entirely due to rust.  Iíd consider the car if I could get it cheap enough that I could afford the cost of repairing that, but they wonít budge on price.

Iíll check out that Ford Focus. 97K for a 2015 has me a little scared though. I need to look up what they say about the transmissions on these again. I remember some Focuses have had issues with that in the past.

Any opinions on this 2006 Hyundai Elantra GT? https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ctd/6085927653.html

At least it's going to be all highway.


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#70 2017-04-17 13:17:09

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arrow-up True. I'll check it out today (if he responds with a time he can meet), or I'll drive out to meet up with the guy on Wednesday. Looks fairly solid other than that.


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#71 2017-04-26 07:41:03

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Pyromancy5, you get a potato or bacon (and picture of my foot) for finding the car that I actually have ended up with, a 2015 Ford Focus Hatch.

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/6099304742.html

I looked at the car last week and test drove it, and then had a prepurchase inspection finally done at the beginning of this week. Last night, I negotiated him down to within my budget and closed on the car!  banana banana  I'll throw up better pictures of it once I get it back from the shop (it needed to have the 100K mile maintenance done).  big_smile

Thanks for all the help guys! I really appreciate it, and also the welcome distraction during 2+ months of searching. It's helped me stay sane and prevented me from buying a transit van on several occasions.

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#72 2017-04-26 08:46:48

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

whalecliff wrote:

It's helped me stay sane and prevented me from buying a transit van on several occasions.

I see you.

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#73 2017-04-26 08:53:54

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

Come on man, what is it?


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#74 2017-04-26 09:40:07

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

dotmaster206 Don't get me wrong, a transit van would be sweet. It just isn't really the car I need, and the options available to me were not particularly solid buys. Think dilapidated van with cigarette marks all over.

cjaama Sorry! The link was broken. I've updated it, and also fixed the post so that it says what I got regardless of whether or not the link works.  I got a 2015 Ford Focus hatchback!

Also, I found these pictures from the listing.

https://images.craigslist.org/01515_2Qjbg73tDig_600x450.jpg


https://images.craigslist.org/00p0p_JGeRYSTGF5_600x450.jpg


I should have some more representative ones today after I get the car back.


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#75 2017-04-26 12:57:44

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Re: Potato-Boring Fuel-Sipper

Nice!  As long as you don't have shuddering at slow speed/ slow acceleration, then your car is not plagued by the transmission issues.  For most cars they showed up around 35k miles... right where my wifes car is.  Their customer care department did an update, which didn't fix the issue, now they will  be putting in a new clutch pack.  IIRC customer care program takes the powertrain warranty out to 10 years 100k miles.  Doesn't do a whole lot for you, but at least if you notice it now, you can get it addressed.  I called the day after the original warranty expired and was very happy to learn about the program.  This trans is a dry clutch electronic shifted auto.  It has a good feel to it, and reacts pretty quickly.


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