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#1 2017-01-19 14:01:59

ikbrown
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Coilover Install: LYTM

Hey all, so I'll be trading my suspension for some slightly used ISC N1 coilovers this weekend - woohoo! Do you have any tips and tricks from experience that would be useful for me to know in the swap? I've been reading through some DIYs and it seems fairly straight forward.

One question - to speed up the swap I was thinking I could just take all 4 corners springs/struts off in advance and then when he comes over we'll be closer to doing the swap. I read somewhere though that you need to support the hub so that it doesn't droop too much and stretch things out like the brake lines? Is this the case? If so it would make that a little harder. I'll have my car on the lift so maybe I could lower the hub onto jack stands just enough to keep the angle at a reasonable state and not overly drooped?


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#2 2017-01-19 14:11:18

drewsro
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Do you mean wheel hub?  Because if that was the case then you would never be able to take a wheel of the car without jacking the hub up.


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#3 2017-01-19 14:26:21

ikbrown
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

You lost me. The brake hub/knuckle and control arm is what appears needs to be supported somehow so that it doesn't droop too far after removing the spring/strut assembly.

Here's the portion of the install DIY I was referring to in my question:

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1346001 wrote:

4. Now you will want to prop up the jack underneath the hub/control arm to hold the hub assembly in place. This helps not to stretch things out like your brake lines. Jack the jack up just enough to put a little pressure on the hub.


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#4 2017-01-19 14:28:16

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Ah nevermind,  I forgot you wouldn't have the springs/shocks on at that point so that makes sense.  Disregard my last post.


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#5 2017-01-19 14:40:50

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

disregarded.  big_smile


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#6 2017-01-19 15:08:44

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Mark your camber bolts, don't use unsprung springs/struts as a measurement guide for setting your ride height on the coilovers.


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#7 2017-01-19 16:17:30

ikbrown
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

hammyt wrote:

Mark your camber bolts, don't use unsprung springs/struts as a measurement guide for setting your ride height on the coilovers.

Thanks Hammy. Will plan on marking the front camber bolts - I also got camber bolts for the rear since at the ride height he has the coilovers right now he had -2.5 camber, I'd like to get -1.5 on all corners.

Planning on measuring my ride height currently, then his, and if I do any modifications it will be from his height up or down some.


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#8 2017-01-19 17:50:19

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Ah yeah yours are already set for a car, nvm on that point.


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#9 2017-01-20 16:27:58

ikbrown
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

What's the best way to measure ride height? I want to make sure things are even and to know what difference from the H-techs the coilovers will be. I've seen both center of the wheel cap to fender and ground to fender. Center cap to fender seems ideal but you sorta have to eye-ball it since the wheels arent exactly flush.


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#10 2017-01-20 21:57:26

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

ikbrown wrote:

What's the best way to measure ride height? I want to make sure things are even and to know what difference from the H-techs the coilovers will be. I've seen both center of the wheel cap to fender and ground to fender. Center cap to fender seems ideal but you sorta have to eye-ball it since the wheels arent exactly flush.

If you want to make sure everything is exact I highly recommend counting the threads under the adjuster on the coilovers. Takes awhile but worth it once you reach your desired ride height IMO.


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#11 2017-01-20 23:01:57

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Use bungee cords to hold the calipers so you don't stress the brake hoses, don't worry about the knuckles, they hold themselves in place.


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#12 2017-01-23 12:56:36

ikbrown
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

UPDATE: I got my suspension swapped and at the moment the coilovers are all in and torqued to spec.

When we took his rear coilovers out I noticed the spring collars were too low and the spring had zero preload on it. I measured the fronts for preload and they were set just at the spring length, so no preload. After a long while spent cleaning out the threads, I was able to set the preload appropriately for all the springs. I also loosened up the bottom collar and cleaned out those threads since they were a bit rusted from having sat at that height for awhile. All cleaned and anti-seized now and ride height set to where it was when we took the springs off. Took longer than I was wanting but definitely worth it to give them a good cleaning while they were out so I can adjust things with them installed.

Sooooo. Two questions for everyone:

1.    For ride height, should I just set it w/o a driver or would it be recommended if possible to set the height so itís level with my weight in the driver seat? Orrr is that entirely too overkill?
2.     My front passenger side axle boot ripped when removing the struts cuz the droop was too much for the old stiff rubber. Is it OK to drive w/ the ripped axle boot until I have the car serviced next? I am planning a maintenance trip to the shop in the next month or two for my newly discovered leaking valve cover gaskets. Iíd prefer if it could make it till then to have that all done at one time.


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#13 2017-01-23 13:57:29

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Replace that broken boot as soon as possible, grease is going to sling out and your bearings will be exposed to contamination. That side boot gets very brittle from exhaust heat, not surprised it ripped.


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#14 2017-01-24 20:19:02

ikbrown
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Sooooo just tried adjusting the dampening settings on the rear coilovers using their supplied allen key that you insert into the top of the coilover. Turning it one way it didn't stop at 32 clicks, I could keep going beyond that. I returned the adjustment to where it was but am not sure why it just kept going. I imagine it should stop at the hardest and softest settings? I'm hoping it was user error in using the key incorrectly. Any previous ISC owners care to chime in?


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#15 2017-01-24 22:19:19

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

If you were turning the adjuster correctly, my experience adjusting all type of dampers would suggest that you have a damaged damper.


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#16 2017-01-25 12:15:02

ikbrown
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Hmmm. Well that would suck. Seems to drive OK and at least the outside of the damper didn't look damaged or leaking at all. Maybe just I won't be able to adjust the dampening settings from where it is.. I've sent an email to ISC to see what they think as well.

Lol and thanks for the help Rodman. I feel like this should just be a PM convo at this point. haha


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#17 2017-01-25 12:56:55

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

ikbrown wrote:

Sooooo just tried adjusting the dampening settings on the rear coilovers using their supplied allen key that you insert into the top of the coilover. Turning it one way it didn't stop at 32 clicks, I could keep going beyond that. I returned the adjustment to where it was but am not sure why it just kept going. I imagine it should stop at the hardest and softest settings? I'm hoping it was user error in using the key incorrectly. Any previous ISC owners care to chime in?

Look at this and then call the number

https://youtu.be/U_B_zxVaj-A

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#18 2017-01-26 00:12:30

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

ikbrown wrote:

Sooooo just tried adjusting the dampening settings on the rear coilovers using their supplied allen key that you insert into the top of the coilover. Turning it one way it didn't stop at 32 clicks, I could keep going beyond that. I returned the adjustment to where it was but am not sure why it just kept going. I imagine it should stop at the hardest and softest settings? I'm hoping it was user error in using the key incorrectly. Any previous ISC owners care to chime in?

Don't know about ISC but my fortune autos specifically state that you can turn past the available clicks, but that there won't be any changes happening inside the damper at that point so it is not recommended. They set them at full soft from the factory so I just noted that and won't go past the 24 clicks.

As far as ride height goes, when I measured exact distances unsprung and installed the coilovers, the driver side was significantly higher in the front. I would measure from the ground to fender and adjust as needed.

just my $.02

Good Luck!


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#19 2017-01-26 03:08:54

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Did you compress the dampers before installing them?  They should have all rebound at about the same rate (left/right anyway, maybe not front/back).  If they don't rebound at all then it's toast.


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#20 2017-01-26 16:08:23

ikbrown
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

I'm happy to report that it was user error.  facepalm banghead

When I insert the keys all the way in the resistance felt too hard so I backed them out a little so there was a gap - that seemed to do all of nothing. I tried again with it all the way in and once I got past the initial first hard resistance click it clicked predictably and reached the 32 limit. Set to 16 on all four corners and it's riding MUCHHHHHHHHHHHH better. I'll adjust from here. The previous owner had wider wheels/tires and had them set practically at full stiff so it was veryyyyyyy bouncy. Glad to have it riding normally. Now to adjust the height to where I want it.


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#21 2017-01-26 16:15:40

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

up big_smile


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#22 2017-01-26 16:19:01

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

arrow-up Drew you need to cross-off your Corolla on your list! Or do you still have it?


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#23 2017-01-26 16:25:54

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

ikbrown wrote:

arrow-up Drew you need to cross-off your Corolla on your list! Or do you still have it?

Still have it unfortunately.  Haven't had any bites yet.  Dropped the price, and might need to drop it again.  It's just sitting behind my work right now, all cleaned and ready to go.  I took it to CARMAX for shits and giggles, knowing they won't give me squat.  They offered me $2000 for it  lol


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#24 2017-01-26 23:23:26

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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

You should be fine, its fairly straight forward, i threw on H&R lowering springs on my newly aquired 2005 aero and it took under 2h while using widowmakers to change the springs (did back to front) jacking the hub up seemed to jam things for me. Undo your brake and abs lines first, then hub bolts, after that your top hat bolts then just wiggle it free.

You will need a camber alignment afterwards but a flat concrete floor and a framing square worked for me. Before swap just set it upright and tight to your tire and use a ruler to measure in to your rim lip at the tallest point, write down all 4 and reset after your done the swap. If youre looking for more camber, 3mm is equal to about 1 degree. Not sure on stock settings, but my impreza wagon is 0* front and 1.5* rear. Mind you it won't be perfect, buuut nothing really is. Good luck!


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#25 2017-02-14 12:07:37

ikbrown
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Re: Coilover Install: LYTM

Rodamn, got the passenger front axle replaced this week.  up

So, I'm noticing now a sort of clunk when turning the steering wheel at low speed - from watching some youtube videos of similar issues it appears to be a textbook case of spring bind due to the thrust bearing not being properly lubricated. Put off my alignment till next week so this weekend I can remove the front coilovers, remove the camber plates / pillowball mounts and re-grease the thrust bearing.

Questions are:
I have some Energy Suspension Formula 5 grease - I'm assuming that would be good to use on this application?
I've seen some roller thrust bearings that can be installed like spacers under the rubber insulator to help the spring move more freely. Would that help at all or should re-greasing the ISC thrust bearing be sufficient to solve the problem?
These are the type of bearing I found some people reference: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hal-7888-109


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