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#101 2012-01-17 17:52:50

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

Right. GF dailies the Corolla while he dailies the Aero and saves the S4 for special occasions that don't involve parking next to ding-happy co-workers. Saab is paid off and the S4 maintains 100% of its value if he keeps it low miles and mint. Win.


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#102 2012-01-17 20:04:14

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

speed808 wrote:

phillipj wrote:

I wished we had that heavier steering. I miss the feel that you even have in the 3 series BMW or entry level Audis. I always liked the clutch feel in the A4, pretty easy to drive even for some one like me with very average manual skills, which I appreciate.

I'm surprised you only say it's a little quieter than our 92x wagon-- I think we got to have one of the loudest cars around, relatively. I always am impressed when I go to the car show every year and the german bmws and audis get so quiet when I shut that door.

I used 3M VHB tape for a long while and it worked well, but whenever you do take it off the residue will not be good. I eventually screwed it on like everyone else.

Anyway-- Sweet car! Envious. embeer

The owner gave me a spare bumper plate that has screw holes from the previous plates.  So I can use that to fasten my front plate.  The trouble is that I having the hardest time removing the nice bumper plate.  I'm suppose to use a big screwdriver and pry it off, I tried that, but the locking tabs are really snug and I don't want to break anything.

Take bumper off (should be two 6mm Allen's from below, and careful unclip by the front wheels. Then hit those tabs from behind.


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#103 2012-01-17 20:08:26

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

Also, for those who want a more "Euro" feel to the steering, search all of the threads for adding caster.


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#104 2012-01-20 16:23:07

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

UPDATE

1st fill-up came out to 14 mpg which doesn't surprise me.  V-8 with mostly city driving.

It has some cool features such as power folding mirrors.  Park you car, rotate the mirror adjustment knob 180 degrees and the mirrors fold in.

Other cool feature that some other cars have, when you hold down the unlock button on the key fob, all the windows roll down.  Great for really hot days.  As you get to the car, hold the unlock button to open the windows, so the breeze can help get the hot air out of the car.

One surprising thing I found was the 92x has More usable space Under the cargo cover.  The 92x and S4 rear cargo room is about the same, but the 92x can hold more Under the cargo cover.

And for most of my driving, I'm driving one gear higher in the S4 (compared to the 92x), which I'm still getting used to.  It felt weird at first, such as driving 35 to 40 mph in fifth gear in the S4.

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#105 2012-01-20 17:16:53

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

arrow-up Some other features (intro'd on my car in 1992 with the C4 body):

Leave the side view mirror switch in the "R" position.  When you shift into reverse, the right one tilts down so you can see the curb and rear wheel.

Hold the door key or lock button in the "Lock" position. Windows and sunroof will close, doors will lock and the alarm will arm.

Every two hours (unfortunately) the dash will display an annoying 2:00 mark, which will not clear until the engine is off for something like 10 minutes or so.  It's a German rule that a driver MUST rest at least 10 minutes every 2 hrs.  facepalm


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#106 2012-01-20 17:45:24

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

Scargo wrote:

arrow-up Some other features (intro'd on my car in 1992 with the C4 body):

Leave the side view mirror switch in the "R" position.  When you shift into reverse, the right one tilts down so you can see the curb and rear wheel.

Hold the door key or lock button in the "Lock" position. Windows and sunroof will close, doors will lock and the alarm will arm.

Every two hours (unfortunately) the dash will display an annoying 2:00 mark, which will not clear until the engine is off for something like 10 minutes or so.  It's a German rule that a driver MUST rest at least 10 minutes every 2 hrs.  facepalm

Oh yeah, I forgot about the "R" position.  My previous RDX did that too.

Thanks, I didn't know about holding down the lock button to close the windows and sunroof and arm the alarm.

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#107 2012-01-20 20:50:36

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

The lock button thing may only work with the key in the door. Liability issues (someone getting crushed in the closing window/roof if you're not right next to the car).


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#108 2012-01-20 21:03:20

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

Scargo wrote:

The lock button thing may only work with the key in the door. Liability issues (someone getting crushed in the closing window/roof if you're not right next to the car).

You're right, I just tried it.  Doesn't work with the key fob.


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#109 2012-01-21 11:16:03

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

My gti does the windows opened-/ closed-thing if i put the key in the lock and manually unlock or lock the car and hold the key in the unlocked/ locked position for a few seconds. Also, if your car has a sunroof, check to see if your sunroof has a 'secret detent' that allows it to open even more than the usual max-open position. For example,  my sunroof is already open, I can turn and hold my sunroof dial past the max position labeled, and if I hold it there the roof opens a few extra inches.

Modern VAG products have a lot of cool, subtle, clever features. Don't even get me started on how much I love the myriad little grocery bag hooks and storage nooks in the trunk and the courtesy tools that are included but hidden from the n00bs.


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#110 2012-01-21 12:23:13

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

arrow-up  yeah, I kind of laugh at the ONE hook the 9-2x has in a flat load floored wagon... facepalm


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#111 2012-01-22 18:45:47

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

My Stage 1 92x is FASTER than the S4.

I just did a G-Tech run and got these results for the S4.  From the dig to 40 mph, the S4 is faster, but after that, the 92x hits it's stride and pulls away.


2005 Audi S4 Avant                                      2005 Saab 92x Aero (Stage 1)                                 

0-10    .535                                                  0-10    .368
0-20    1.220                                                0-20    1.286
0-30    2.026                                                0-30    2.077
0-40    3.310                                                0-40    3.328
0-50    4.706                                                0-50    4.504
0-60   6.125                                               0-60   5.805
0-70    8.138                                                0-70    7.689
0-80    10.172                                              0-80    9.672
0-90    12.376                                              0-90    11.845
0-100   15.53                                               0-99.5  14.598

60 ft.   2.239                                              60 ft.    2.229

1/8      9.468 @ 76.69 mph                        1/8       9.304 @ 78.19 mph


1/4      14.59 @ 96.1 mph                          1/4       14.33 @ 98.8 mph


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#112 2012-01-22 18:48:32

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That's really surprising. How accurate is 'G-Tech'?


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#113 2012-01-22 22:01:33

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My friends S4 is right on par with those numbers at the drag strip. Id say it's fairly accurate. Once you chip/modify the Audi a bit, it really wakes it up though.

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#114 2012-01-22 22:13:41

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

Whether or not the Gtech is accurate, I wouldn't put too much stock in those numbers when determining which car is faster. 2.2x is a pretty weak 60ft time for an awd launch, and I'm confident you could do better with both cars at least with regard to the launch (which, of course, would yield better quarter miles following the better launch, since each tenth you shave off the launch is worth approximately 2 tenths in the quarter). I've had 2.1 60ft times with heavy 18" wheels on my FWDLOL car and 1.9 60 ft times with my 2005 92x Aero Stage 1 at the strip running Sport wheels and off-the-street tire pressures. Also, the trap speed seems a little low on the Audi and surprisingly high on the Saabaru. The quarter mile times on both seem about right though (I ran 14.5 on the two clean passes I ever ran at Stage 1, but with a 94 or 95 trap speed). I'd be very curious to see how your two cars would compare if you measure some pulls from a roll, which would give you a better idea of which car really is faster, not just which car you are better at driving (you're still new to the Audi, and presumably not wanting to launch the shit out of it either).

Also, whether or not your Saabaru is quicker in a quarter mile, the Audi is almost definitely going to be quicker and faster at speeds above, say, 80mph, when that extra 80 or so hp is going to make a massive difference when you have to start dealing with wind resistance.

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#115 2012-01-23 08:35:42

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

I thought most magazines tested the v8 avant S4 at 5.5ish (and below)? Seems like an unfair launch situation. Even Audi claims a high 13 second 1/4...

I don't blame you for not abusing that 2k$ (guessing) clutch  lol


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#116 2012-01-23 09:22:54

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I think most of us (who own our cars) will have a hard time matching published magazine figures. They spend a lot of time experimenting with their launches ... AND when the day is through, they return the cars to the mfg test fleet. I think self preservation keeps most of us from being willing to do the same to our own vehicles. That being said, so long as the v-tech is repeatable, the actual numbers don't matter, at Speeds current skill level, his 9-2X is quicker. Is either car capable of brutal launches? Yes, AWD can do. How often?

FWIW, in gear tests (5-60, 30-50, 50-70) tend to be a lot more consistent for the average driver, thus more telling. And yes, typical Autobahn gearing also tends to make the higher speed runs on German bigger cars faster.


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#117 2012-01-23 10:36:41

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FWIW, I have a hard time believing the Stage 1 9-2x is capable of an "easy launch" 5.8 to 60.  That's my only point.  The recent magazine article Krazycarguy posted stated a 5500 rpm clutch drop yielded 6.1 to 60.

Anyway, who cares...


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#118 2012-01-23 11:50:59

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A tune on the S4 will REALLY make a considerable impact on performance (possibly much more-so than the difference between stock and stage 1 on the 9-2x).


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#119 2012-01-23 11:55:28

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arrow-up the aspro V8, as with most aspros, usually require hardware to really respond. Chip tunes just don't do as much to them.


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#120 2012-01-23 13:46:02

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

Scargo wrote:

arrow-up the aspro V8, as with most aspros, usually require hardware to really respond. Chip tunes just don't do as much to them.

I was wondering where the hell they left power on the table.


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#121 2012-01-23 13:46:15

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theleveler wrote:

A tune on the S4 will REALLY make a considerable impact on performance (possibly much more-so than the difference between stock and stage 1 on the 9-2x).

I'm curious about this. Can you quote specs? As Scargo said, tunes don't usually do much on an aspro car without corresponding hardware. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I hadn't heard anything about the B6 S4's tuning potential. What's needed to get significant gains (without forced induction)?


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#122 2012-01-23 13:48:34

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I'm gonna guess take what the did to the RS4 and apply it here if you want meaningful and not just noisy results...

AKA, $$$$


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#123 2012-01-23 13:58:41

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Scargo wrote:

arrow-up the aspro V8, as with most aspros, usually require hardware to really respond. Chip tunes just don't do as much to them.

Damnit, I forgot we're not talking about TEH BI-TURBO  biggrin


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#124 2012-01-23 14:29:33

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Re: Picking up the S4 Avant tomorrow

tlow98 wrote:

FWIW, I have a hard time believing the Stage 1 9-2x is capable of an "easy launch" 5.8 to 60.  That's my only point.  The recent magazine article Krazycarguy posted stated a 5500 rpm clutch drop yielded 6.1 to 60.

Anyway, who cares...

The 5.8 sec. 0-60 (Stage 1) was done with a aggressive launch at around 5,500 rpm.  It was one of the few very good launches I've done where I chirped the tires at launch.

Car and Driver did 6.1 sec. 0-60 with a stock 92x Aero.


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#125 2012-01-23 14:35:41

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speed808 wrote:

tlow98 wrote:

FWIW, I have a hard time believing the Stage 1 9-2x is capable of an "easy launch" 5.8 to 60.  That's my only point.  The recent magazine article Krazycarguy posted stated a 5500 rpm clutch drop yielded 6.1 to 60.

Anyway, who cares...

The 5.8 sec. 0-60 (Stage 1) was done with a aggressive launch at around 5,500 rpm.  It was one of the few very good launches I've done where I chirped the tires at launch.

Car and Driver did 6.1 sec. 0-60 with a stock 92x Aero.

Thanks, now for the elephant int he closet.  How'd you launch your new hotness?


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