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#176 2012-02-23 01:14:04

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Re: Clutch Install

And just to get info before I go and start randomly swapping parts....the symptoms I've got now are that the steering feels a little loose, I get a clunk when turning (and particularly while turning and going over a bump), and (and this was the most unnerving part) there feels like there's a bit of a rough spot in one part of the range of turning the wheel.  I'll be turning the wheel and everything feels smooth, but then I'll get to one region of turn, and it'll feel rough.  I wouldn't go so far as it feels like grinding, it just feels like a rough patch that I can feel through the wheel.  The roughness is apparent both while stopped and when moving.

I did some reading, and it sounds like a ball joint would be a good first bet. 

Post #2 in this thread had some great symptoms to look for with particular parts going bad.  Anyone have any other suggestions?


ETA: Ugh, and I just realized that this means that if I do need to replace the ball joint, I'm going to have to deal with the snapped bolt.  facepalm

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#177 2012-02-23 01:41:34

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Re: Clutch Install

Make sure you look over the car real good to make sure you didn't leave any bolts loose.  up


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#178 2012-02-23 01:51:56

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Is it ONE clunk during a single turn?  A few clunks when you turn the wheel far, corresponding to one clunk for every set of some degrees you turn the wheel? Or does it repeatedly clunk as long as you hold a turn?

Does that make sense?


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#179 2012-02-23 02:09:45

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I'll need to do some more research in the morning....my "test drive" involved me backing down the driveway, giddy with joy that everything was working...then when I made it out to the road, I turned the wheel and felt the clunk...so I went down the street and back and pulled into the garage.  So I don't have much of a description.  I'll do some more testing tomorrow.


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#180 2012-02-23 08:54:00

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If it's just one clunk on some turns it could just be an endlink bushing that isn't tightened right or just old and shitty smile


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#181 2012-02-23 11:56:04

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I think I have a much more serious issue than a ball joint.  Instead of driving it, I figured I'd just go ahead and put it up in the garage and take a look at things first.  :



It grinds repeatedly when I turn the wheels back and forth.  It sounds like the grinding is coming from the center of the car.  The steering also feels incredibly loose...at the end, when I was turning the wheels quickly, I could feel a good amount of play before the steering rack (or whatever is loose) would catch again.  You can see the wheel jump a good amount, and then slow down.

I'm guessing I really screwed something up while I was tugging on and beating the shit out of the hub while trying to get the ball joint separated and axles out.

Any guesses?

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#182 2012-02-23 11:59:38

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Check the steering column area around the starter. Make sure nothing is hitting or rubbing that when the wheel is turned.


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#183 2012-02-23 12:18:31

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Re: Clutch Install

kornfeld wrote:

It grinds repeatedly when I turn the wheels back and forth.  It sounds like the grinding is coming from the center of the car.  The steering also feels incredibly loose...at the end, when I was turning the wheels quickly, I could feel a good amount of play before the steering rack (or whatever is loose) would catch again.  You can see the wheel jump a good amount, and then slow down.

I'm guessing I really screwed something up while I was tugging on and beating the shit out of the hub while trying to get the ball joint separated and axles out.

Any guesses?

Have you moved the wheel back and forth like that before you started the work or at any time in the past? IT almost sounds normal. Remember there is a lot of connections and their will inevitably be some lash in the setup.


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#184 2012-02-23 12:21:25

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Damn nelly, it's almost like you've done this before. 

This was loose and rubbing against the steering column:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ps9Dz2P-Pe0/T0Z040dUUpI/AAAAAAAABCE/EaWiqTCqHlk/s640/IMAG0519.jpg

I pulled it clear and the grinding is gone. It appears to be a big ground wire, but I can't find anywhere that it's supposed to be attached...I'm looking back through the walk-throughs, and not seeing anything obvious.  Do you recognize it?

Also, I noticed my power steering fluid is a bit low, like maybe an 1/8 of an inch below the cold min line.  The steering felt 100% fine prior to the clutch change though, so could low fluid abruptly lead to a change like this?


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#185 2012-02-23 12:22:12

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Augie wrote:

Have you moved the wheel back and forth like that before you started the work or at any time in the past? IT almost sounds normal. Remember there is a lot of connections and their will inevitably be some lash in the setup.

I haven't, but things definitely feel looser at the steering wheel than they did before.


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#186 2012-02-23 12:26:18

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Found it:

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Looks like it goes on one of the same bolts as the starter.


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#187 2012-02-23 12:27:35

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Yep it attaches to the top bolt of your starter. Just pull the bolt, slide the ground onto it and reattach!  up

Glad it was nothing major.  banana

*Edit* I see you found it before I could answer.  smile


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#188 2012-02-23 13:30:52

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I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I think I'm actually 100% done.  I think the power steering felt a little loose just because the car had been sitting idly at a funny angle for a few days...I went around the block and it felt 100x better.  I did go and grab some ATF to top it off since I'm looking at it, though.  I don't see any leaks anywhere, so I'll keep an eye on it. 

I had two minor things come up during the drive.  First was grinding dust shields on the rotors, which was no surprise.  Second was a metal-to-metal clunking (or at least something hard on something hard), and it feels like it's something hitting the firewall. It did it the hardest right when I pulled out of the driveway; then less hard when I made the first shift; then I barely noticed it when I pulled away from the first stop sign; then it only barely did it once in the next mile and a half of stop and go. I haven't figured out what it is yet, but hopefully it's just something settling into position.  It doesn't sound awful, and everything is back to feeling nice and tight.

The only thing left to do is get the car up to highway speed and see if there are any vibrations.  I live right on the freeway, and I can see it's backed up right now, so that'll have to wait. :fingerscrossed:


I am so, so, so relieved right now.   heart heart heart\

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#189 2012-02-23 13:38:50

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kornfeld wrote:

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I think I'm actually 100% done.  I think the power steering felt a little loose just because the car had been sitting idly at a funny angle for a few days...I went around the block and it felt 100x better.  I did go and grab some ATF to top it off since I'm looking at it, though.  I don't see any leaks anywhere, so I'll keep an eye on it. 

I had two minor things come up during the drive.  First was grinding dust shields on the rotors, which was no surprise.  Second was a metal-to-metal clunking (or at least something hard on something hard), and it feels like it's something hitting the firewall. It did it the hardest right when I pulled out of the driveway; then less hard when I made the first shift; then I barely noticed it when I pulled away from the first stop sign; then it only barely did it once in the next mile and a half of stop and go. I haven't figured out what it is yet, but hopefully it's just something settling into position.  It doesn't sound awful, and everything is back to feeling nice and tight.

The only thing left to do is get the car up to highway speed and see if there are any vibrations.  I live right on the freeway, and I can see it's backed up right now, so that'll have to wait. :fingerscrossed:


I am so, so, so relieved right now.   heart heart heart\

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eqlized_aero wrote:

it's pretty rewarding doing this yourself.

ATF??? eek

Is the dog bone tightened enough?

*edit* I misunderstood your post and thought you were topping off your trans with ATF.

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#190 2012-02-23 13:41:13

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banana well done!

You definitely owe Nelly a embeer.

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#191 2012-02-23 13:56:15

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up   banana  Congrats.   couldn't have found the time/space to do the same here, so I'm jealous.

And to Nelly:    embeer  embeer


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#193 2012-02-23 14:11:29

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Dammit...hopefully I didn't screw something else up...the manual says Dexron III ATF for the power steering, and loads of posts here said that as well.  Is that the wrong stuff? Didn't see your edit.


And the dog bone was my first thought as well.  I torqued it to values mentioned elsewhere (37 ft lbs for the bolt on the engine side and 43 ft lbs on the fire wall side) yesterday, so I snugged them up a bit more today.  Hopefully things settle down on their own.

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#194 2012-02-23 14:12:06

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iamchris wrote:

banana well done!

You definitely owe Nelly a brewery.

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#195 2012-02-23 14:14:09

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#196 2012-02-23 14:14:16

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Dammit...hopefully I didn't screw something else up...the manual says Dexron III ATF for the power steering, and loads of posts here said that as well.  Is that the wrong stuff?


And the dog bone was my first thought as well.  I torqued it to values mentioned elsewhere (37 ft lbs for the bolt on the engine side and 43 ft lbs on the fire wall side) yesterday, so I snugged them up a bit more today.  Hopefully things settle down on their own.

You're good! See my edit.  up

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#197 2012-02-23 14:21:12

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Lol at the ground wire biggrin
That was something I forgot to mark when I did my engine and now it's bolted to another hole on the block as a result smile

That "metal to metal clunking" you still have...  Does it happen on hard shifts, when the weight of the car lurches forward on the springs after you press the clutch and stop accelerating?

Sounds like my downpipe when the bracket that stabilizes it against the transmission broke, and it would bump the transmission mount-crossmember.  Mb you forgot to tighten it smile


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#198 2012-02-23 14:23:50

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Sounds like my downpipe when the bracket that stabilizes it against the transmission broke, and it would bump the transmission mount-crossmember.  Mb you forgot to tighten it smile

This was gonna be my next suggestion.  up


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#199 2012-02-23 14:30:09

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Does it happen on hard shifts, when the weight of the car lurches forward on the springs after you press the clutch and stop accelerating?

Sounds like my downpipe when the bracket that stabilizes it against the transmission broke, and it would bump the transmission mount-crossmember.  Mb you forgot to tighten it smile

I haven't shifted hard yet.  I'm still walking on egg shells.  I did tighten that bracket down for sure...I didn't want the squeak that I dealt with in this thread to come back.  It wouldn't hurt to take a look down there though and see if anything is close together though, seeing as I had to remove 100% of the exhaust from the turbo back.  Everything might have ended up being bolted down at a slightly different angle.


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#200 2012-02-23 14:38:43

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I already PM'd them, but I wanted to publicly thank Nelly and theleveler for keeping an eye on this thread and actively posting so much...the advice and directions were a huge help, and the positive vibes definitely kept spirits up right when I was thinking of throwing in the towel.

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